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12-30-2017, 07:40 AM
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Montana Fan
Join Date: Dec 2017
Location: Kerrville
Posts: 219
M.O.C. #20894
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Spare tire included? If not, then recommendation
I'm buying a used 2011 Montana Mountaineer 347THT toy hauler fifth wheel and there's no spare wheel/tire included.
Is this normal? It's not a deal breaker, but I'm just curious.
I've never owned a RV before, so this is all new to me.
There's currently new Provider ST235/80R16 tires on the trailer now.
What do you recommend? Should I get the exact same wheel/tire combo for the spare? Or get the cheapest wheel/tire I can find so I can hobble to where I need to go?
I don't know what brand model the wheel is, do you know what this is from the photo?
Thanks!
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12-30-2017, 08:08 AM
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Montana Master
Join Date: Feb 2012
Location: Lake Gaston
Posts: 8,773
M.O.C. #12156
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New rigs come with a spare. Private/used purchase, between you and the seller. Not familiar with the Provider line, but I am not a fan of E load ST tires. Spare should match the size of what you are running. Most folks I see are running G614 or high quality LT tires.
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2002 3655 FL, 2005 3650RK
2010 3665RE, 2015 3910FB
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12-30-2017, 08:14 AM
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Montana Fan
Join Date: Dec 2017
Location: Kerrville
Posts: 219
M.O.C. #20894
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Thanks for the reply. Would you recommend getting any ol' 16-inch 8-lug RV wheel, or get the same exact model wheel that's on it now? Any idea what model is the wheel I have?
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12-30-2017, 08:30 AM
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Montana Master
Join Date: Feb 2005
Location: Haysville
Posts: 4,261
M.O.C. #3085
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I don't think about the spare like some of the full time / long time members on the MOC. I'd run a plain steel wheel spare like came new on my last 3 Montanas and in your case, the same tire size ... not necessarily the same brand tire. I look at a spare as just that ... a spare. A tire to temporarily replace a flat and get you to a near by tire store. Some argue if you have the same tire and wheel you don't have to change the spare back to the original ... I just shake my head on that one. Especially with G614's ... why have that much money hanging under your fiver that may never touch the ground during your ownership when you can hang a much cheaper round black tire under there and accomplish the same peace of mind.
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12-30-2017, 08:50 AM
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Montana Master
Join Date: Oct 2004
Location: Salem
Posts: 7,563
M.O.C. #2283
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If you have the standard ST tires on your camper I would get several spare tires or better get rid of them and get a set of G rated tires and a spare. A lot of the members here have had the ST standard tires blow out doing several thousand dollars damage to their camper. They have done everything right kept the property inflated, didn’t drive too fast only to have a blow out that took the side off of their camper.
Lynwood
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12-30-2017, 01:18 PM
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Montana Fan
Join Date: Nov 2015
Location: Taylor Ridge
Posts: 224
M.O.C. #18049
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I agree with Lynwood, I had a blow out on a SOB caused $4000 damage. Tires only had about 2500 miles on them. Check your speed rating. Most ST tires are rated for 65mph. Any steel rim would work, why have a nice aluminum rim hanging under the trailer.
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12-30-2017, 01:30 PM
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Montana Fan
Join Date: Dec 2017
Location: Kerrville
Posts: 219
M.O.C. #20894
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Thanks, but, whoah! I did a quick search for "G614 tire" and... $303 per tire? Really?! That's more than my Dodge Ram 3500 Dually tires cost!
I understand... $1,200 is cheaper than $4,000 of trailer damage from a blowout... but, wow. I can see saving up for it, but for right now I'm just gonna focus on getting this trailer moved 300 miles from the dealership to the RV storage lot with the shoes it has now. Good to know what's the best tire out there.
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12-30-2017, 01:53 PM
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Montana Master
Join Date: Oct 2004
Location: Salem
Posts: 7,563
M.O.C. #2283
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Try Sailum tires. The members here are having very good luck with them at half the price of the G614s. I haven’t heard anything but good about them. Just don’t leave the China Bombs on.
Lynwood
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12-30-2017, 03:10 PM
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Montana Master
Join Date: Mar 2016
Location: Catoosa
Posts: 780
M.O.C. #18384
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Agree with others on just running a steel wheel for a spare, however if you will look on the backside of the wheel there should be a mfg.name. Also there should be a max psi rating, either 80 or 110. To get the full benefit of a g rated tire it needs to be at 110lbs. Although a G at 80 is still better than a E at 80. 4 Sailun's can be had for $600 to$800. Do some research on trailer tires and you won't want to go anywhere on your current tires. Be sure to check the date codes on the current tires and if more than 4 or 5 years old your living on borrowed time. Belts of steel flailing around at 60mph can do tremendous amounts of damage.
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12-30-2017, 03:22 PM
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Montana Master
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: Englewood
Posts: 3,095
M.O.C. #164
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The very simple answer to your question is purchase a tire similar to the 4 on your rig and a steel wheel just like the rig came with original.
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12-30-2017, 05:02 PM
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Montana Master
Join Date: May 2017
Location: new caney
Posts: 1,050
M.O.C. #19873
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You can order the Sailun tires from SIMPLE TIRE . These tires have an excellent reputation . There is not one negative review on the internet and there are 1000's of these being used on the larger 5th wheels. Yes these are made in China but are so for the best made in China and are very comparable in quality to the Goodyear 614 tires but much cheaper to purchase. Agree with most in that it makes no sense to have a brand new spare that will probably time out instead of wear out . Many members now change there tires out at 5 to 6 years and if you have a spare that has never been used then it would be of no purpose as a used tire is just as good and cheaper than a new one for a spare. As for as wheels, i bought 4 new hi-spec wheels on account my Sailuns took out 2 of my factory wheels. Learned my lesson and now carry 2 spares or at least carry an extra loose wheel on account it is not always easy to find a spare rv wheel when traveling. There is a lot to learn about these rv's and i don't think i will ever stop learning about them. Safe travels.
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12-30-2017, 05:18 PM
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Site Team
Join Date: Sep 2017
Location: Oro Valley
Posts: 3,949
M.O.C. #20477
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Where you travel should be a factor in the quality of spare you choose. As an Alaska Highway veteran I would never consider a lower quality spare than your other tires. Even in the lower 48 a new G rated RV tire may take you a couple of days to find as I discovered when I put a nail through on of mine. Steel wheel is fine for a spare.
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12-30-2017, 10:13 PM
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Montana Master
Join Date: May 2017
Location: South East NC
Posts: 1,768
M.O.C. #19865
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For a spare, just use a steel wheel. That is what most manufacturers supply too.
Yes, $300 for G614 and you will find few complaints with them. For about 1/2 their cost you can buy Sailun and will not find any complaints. Sailun is the way to go.
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12-31-2017, 06:28 AM
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Montana Fan
Join Date: Sep 2016
Location: West Melbourne
Posts: 310
M.O.C. #18980
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Get a steel rime rated at 110 psi for the spare then buy 5 Sailun tires, not 4. You never know how long you will need to drive on the spare and it is cheap insurance to buy what you trust for the other 4 tires.
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2016 3160RL Legacy, Sailun S637, Centramatic Balancers, 2-T105s, Amish Refrigeration, ARPrv, SoftStartRV, FlexArmor roof
2016 F350 6.7L SRW
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12-31-2017, 07:56 AM
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Montana Master
Join Date: May 2017
Location: South East NC
Posts: 1,768
M.O.C. #19865
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Butchy
Get a steel rime rated at 110 psi for the spare then buy 5 Sailun tires, not 4. You never know how long you will need to drive on the spare and it is cheap insurance to buy what you trust for the other 4 tires.
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X 2 Only way to go!
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12-31-2017, 01:46 PM
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Montana Master
Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: Grand Rapids
Posts: 1,896
M.O.C. #9561
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make sure the 'spare tire' unit is there and works. and get a spare tire even if it is a used one.
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12-31-2017, 03:14 PM
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Montana Fan
Join Date: Dec 2017
Location: Kerrville
Posts: 219
M.O.C. #20894
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Quote:
Originally Posted by 1retired06
Not familiar with the Provider line (snip)
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FWIW, the reviews on the Provider ST235/80R16 are 4.9 out of 5.0 stars with 327 reviews on ETrailer.COM
Provider ST235/80R16E Tire and Wheel (4.9 out of 5.0, 327 reviews)
Provider ST235/80R16E Tire only (4.8 out of 5.0, 198 reviews)
As far as reviews go, that's exceptional. Shoot, they cost as much as a Sailun!
Being new to RV'ing, I have no bias to tires and have to rely on the experience of those who have gone this road before me.
I watched a good review on the Sailun brand tires on YouTube by "Big Truck Big RV", he only said good things about the Sailun tires just as people have said here.
Anyway, just thought it was interesting about the Provider tires. Maybe it was highly rated on ETrailer.com because they don't sell Sailun or Goodyear... :-)
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2011 Keystone Montana Mountaineer 347THT
2008 Suzuki SV650
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12-31-2017, 06:52 PM
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Montana Fan
Join Date: Dec 2017
Location: Kerrville
Posts: 219
M.O.C. #20894
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Just doing some reading up on tire load and speed ratings. I'm leaning to switching out my Provider tires for some Sailun tires...
Taskmaster Provider ST Radial
Load = 124/120 = 3520 lbs (S) / 3080 lbs (D)
Speed = M = 81 mph
Ply = 10
PSI = 80 psi
Tread depth = 11
Sailun S637T ST235/80R16
Load = 129/125 = 4079 lbs (S) / 3638 lbs (D)
Speed = L = 75 mph
Ply = 14
PSI = 110 psi
Tread depth = 10
Is there a resale market for lightly used RV tires? I need to get the trailer home from the dealer about 300 miles. The Provider tires were put on by the dealer and are brand new so they'll only have 300 miles on them. What can I expect to get for them? 80 cents on the dollar? 50 cents?
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2007 Dodge Ram 3500 QC LB DRW Laramie 6.7L -- Patriot Blue!
2011 Keystone Montana Mountaineer 347THT
2008 Suzuki SV650
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12-31-2017, 11:05 PM
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Montana Master
Join Date: May 2017
Location: South East NC
Posts: 1,768
M.O.C. #19865
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Quote:
Originally Posted by scottkeen
FWIW, the reviews on the Provider ST235/80R16 are 4.9 out of 5.0 stars with 327 reviews on ETrailer.COM
Provider ST235/80R16E Tire and Wheel (4.9 out of 5.0, 327 reviews)
Provider ST235/80R16E Tire only (4.8 out of 5.0, 198 reviews)
As far as reviews go, that's exceptional. Shoot, they cost as much as a Sailun!
Being new to RV'ing, I have no bias to tires and have to rely on the experience of those who have gone this road before me.
I watched a good review on the Sailun brand tires on YouTube by "Big Truck Big RV", he only said good things about the Sailun tires just as people have said here.
Anyway, just thought it was interesting about the Provider tires. Maybe it was highly rated on ETrailer.com because they don't sell Sailun or Goodyear... :-)
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I have never heard anything bad about Provider tires ~~ never heard of them at all. Wondering if they are made in the Sailun factory,,, but at the same price Sailun is the way to go..
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01-01-2018, 06:49 AM
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Seasoned Camper
Join Date: Mar 2015
Location: Bushnell
Posts: 61
M.O.C. #17212
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My wife and I full time in a 347THT and love it. Have been at it for going on three years now. I had a set of the Sailun S637's put on this past summer. Our take offs were Firestone Transforce LT's.The tire dealer gave us a $50 trade in on the 4 on the ground and $75 for the spare. Maybe you could work out a similar deal. Sounds as if the Providers are rated for the weight but I wanted a Load Range G tire just to be sure. Our spare is mounted on a steel wagon wheel as mentioned so that shouldn't be too hard to replace. If you have any questions about the rig feel free to ask.
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