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Old 11-28-2006, 01:37 PM   #21
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Sky,

So remind me what it is you're buying right now from your GM dealer?

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Old 11-28-2006, 02:48 PM   #22
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The 5.9 cummins diesel is not having a problem. I checked the Dodge Forum and it was disclosed that the lift pump problem was with some type of cummins installed in motor home diesel pushers. The 3rd generation cummins 5.9 in 3500's and down, are in the fuel tank and not affected.
I would question who is incharge of making sure the proper additivies are put in the new fuel???? My nephew works for a fuel distributor and I wouldn't let him run my lawnmower let along trust him with adding additives to a large fuel tank!!!!!!!!! I think I will add my own additive and not worry.
just my 2 cents John
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Old 11-28-2006, 03:06 PM   #23
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John,

I think we have the same nephew!

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Old 11-28-2006, 03:13 PM   #24
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MAC - Why don't you talk the DW into the Spring Branson May 2007 Get Togeather and we can talk about RELATIONS.
I think it would be very prudent in putting your own additive into their fuel. Otherwise A person is not going to know about ENGINE DAMAGE until it's to late....

Mac -That same nephew also refused to mow the lawn unless he has a riding mower>>>>

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Old 11-28-2006, 03:37 PM   #25
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mac,
I am using GM Diesel Fuel Conditioner that was bought at the local Chevy shop. #88861009
I am also going to look into "Diesel Kleen" as well. There are some members here who are using it, and the cost is much cheaper than the GM stuff. Hard part is finding something that wont void the GM warranty.


I also have very little faith in the "guy" at the depot to add the correct amount of additive to the new fuel. Going to continue adding additive to each tank.
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Old 11-28-2006, 04:29 PM   #26
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WHAT DAVE - You don't trust MAC AND MY NEPHEW?????
I agree add your own additive, Dave have you checked AMSOIL additive. It's warranty approved and $6.65 per 16 oz bottle and $75.00 per 12 bottles - a case. I thought I read 6 oz per 35 gallon is what was recommended. I still think FORD, CHEV AND DODGE should step to the plate with recommendations or pressure to provide proper fuel for these diesel's.
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Old 11-28-2006, 06:10 PM   #27
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I could not agree more, someone needs to step up and take charge and produce the facts. Maybe if my truck dies before I feel it should, I could get the EPA to buy me a new one!

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Old 11-29-2006, 01:41 AM   #28
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We must all be related! My nephew even wanted special shocks on the seat of the riding mower before he would use it.

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Old 11-29-2006, 02:01 PM   #29
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Maybe I should be happy I dont have any nephews... LOL!
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Old 11-30-2006, 12:43 PM   #30
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Dodge CTD and ULS diesel. I called my service mgr today, he suggested I buy Mopar additive, $8.00 a bottle and put a bottle in every other fill up. I was at a truck garage which recommends FPPF Total power. 32oz treats 250 gallon at $8.95 a bottle. That comes out to 3.2 oz per 25 gallon or 90cents per 25 gallon of diesel. My avg fill up is about 23 to 26 gal when I drop to a 1/4 tank. Any better info would be appreciated.
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Old 11-30-2006, 02:52 PM   #31
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This was posted by "AMPS" Nov. 17 as a reply he got from Cummins Engine Co. regarding the ULSD. I did not write them, "AMPS' did.
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My question was: Here in Canada I use Petro Canada as my fuel supplier and their web site says that I DO NOT NEED to add anything to their fuel as it meets all engine requirements. Are they correct or do I need additives/booster?: Following is Cummins reply.

Summary: ULSD

Solution:
Thanks for your Email message.

Petro is correct; The fuel needs no additives.

There are many rumors circulating about the effects of sulfur being in
diesel fuel or sulfur being taken out of diesel fuel. Diesel fuel
without sulfur is just as good, in all respects except one, when compared
with today's fuels with sulfur.

Diesel fuel, in the United States, must meet a lubricity standard. The
producers adjust the lubricity before they distribute the fuel. No
further additives are needed to ensure proper fuel system lubrication.

The only negative effect of taking sulfur out of fuel is that the fuel
becomes more expensive, somewhat negating the inherent cost advantage
of running diesel engines when compared to other fuels. As we are
certain you know, sulfur doesn't jump out of the fuel on command. It has to
be removed using specialized equipment and chemical processes that add
to the expense of producing the fuel.

We have seen a very few instances where the reduced aromatic content of
the fuel has resulted in slight leaks from fuel systems. This is not
expected to be an issue with many engines.

Basically the change to new fuel should be pretty easy for folks with
the engines built prior to 2007 and for customers with the engines built
in 2007 it will be necessary, for the short time it takes fuel stations
to consume the remainder of the old fuel (maybe a month or two), to be
certain they are not fueling with the older fuel.

There is an effect on diesel engines from the use of low or no sulfur
fuel which we expect to be positive. The blowby gasses that normally
pass through the engine crankcase will contain less or none of the
chemically reactive sulfur and its compounds. This will tend to keep the
engine oil cleaner during operation and allow important engine components
like bushings, bearings and piston rings to live longer.

Diesel fuels containing sulfur or no sulfur each have the same specific
heat, about 20,000 BTUs per pound. For that reason they give the same
amounts of work for the same amount of fuel. That means the fuel
economy per gallon will not be affected.

Over the years we have seen fuel economy decrease, somewhat, as diesel
engine designs have been modified to meet the lower NOX limits imposed
by government. This has been totally unrelated to sulfur in the fuel.

With lower sulfur fuels it is possible that some exhaust after
treatment devices (catalytic converters) may be used to better effect, making
it possible to further decrease harmful exhaust emissions.

If you use diesel fuel that does not meet the new federal low sulfur
requirements that are going into effect for 2007, in a 2007 vehicle that
requires the new fuel, it will produce particulate matter that will
cause rapid plugging of the exhaust particulate trap. We don't anticipate
producing engines for such vehicles until 2007.

We thank you for your interest in Cummins products. If we have
misunderstood your question and not answered it, please reply with further
inquiry.
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The forgoing was posted by "AMPS" on Nov. 17th. Of course it only pertains to Cummins engines. Your Rice Burners and Corn Cob grinders may well require either some sake or grain alcohol.
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Old 11-30-2006, 03:20 PM   #32
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Interesting response from Dodge...

I found this part most interesting,
"Diesel fuels containing sulfur or no sulfur each have the same specific
heat, about 20,000 BTUs per pound. For that reason they give the same
amounts of work for the same amount of fuel. That means the fuel
economy per gallon will not be affected."

Many members have noticed a reduction in fuel economy since switching over to the new ULSD. I wonder what Dodge is going to claim is causing that? Thanks again for posting the response you got from Dodge.
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Old 11-30-2006, 03:29 PM   #33
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Bob - That was an EXCELLENT POST, It should answer a lot of questions and clear a few things up, thank you for sharing. Safae Travels John
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