Journey with Confidence RV GPS App RV Trip Planner RV LIFE Campground Reviews RV Maintenance Take a Speed Test Free 7 Day Trial ×
 

Go Back   Montana Owners Club - Keystone Montana 5th Wheel Forum > GENERAL DISCUSSIONS > TIRES, Montana Tires
Click Here to Login

Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread Display Modes
 
Old 05-25-2017, 10:50 AM   #21
JABURKHOLDER
Montana Master
 
JABURKHOLDER's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2016
Location: Cuyahoga Falls
Posts: 727
M.O.C. #18572
On my dually I run 80psi on the front and 75psi on the back.
On my rig (614's) I run 100psi. For my weight, I don't need more.


Concur with BB TX, higher psi than needed creates a harsher ride and creates less tire footprint on the road.


Just because your tires and rims say max 110psi doesn't mean your rig needs max.


That being said, better to error on the high end. The low end will give you a LOT more problems. JMHO
 
__________________
ATC/NAC Jerry A. Burkholder, USN (RET.)

Rule #1. The Chief is always right.
Rule #2. When in doubt, refer to rule #1.
JABURKHOLDER is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-28-2017, 09:48 PM   #22
Texan
Montana Master
 
Join Date: May 2017
Location: new caney
Posts: 1,050
M.O.C. #19873
I have the Sailuns and my 3402 rl weighs 16,200 lbs loaded and i run mine at 110 psi.I have over 12,000 miles on the tires and they look to be wearing evenly. I do have the independent suspension but i would be more worried about tire heat build up than the ride. Having more tire to pavement contact sounds good but when you are turning, the less contact is better than more. There is a lot of stress on the tires and suspension when making sharp turns going forward or backwards.As for as wearing out your tires prematurely with more air, you will most likely have your tires time-out before they wear-out.More air means more safety margin when dealing with load capacity and these Montana's are pretty heavy. Why have a G rated tire if you are not going to take advantage of the increased load capacity.
Texan is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-29-2017, 07:57 AM   #23
mlh
Montana Master
 
Join Date: Oct 2004
Location: Salem
Posts: 7,711
M.O.C. #2283
Well said Texan especially the last sentence.
Lynwood
mlh is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-20-2017, 07:59 AM   #24
Ram Montana High Country
Montana Master
 
Ram Montana High Country's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2017
Location: POINTBLANK
Posts: 1,924
M.O.C. #19944
OK - lots of good input - my question is: NITROGEN fill - my Uncle has a bed camper, adds 3000 LBS to truck. His comment was, "Without Nitrogen, he'd pull into rest area and could not put his had on the tires comfortably. With Nitrogen he could"
Worth the money?
__________________
RAM 22' DRW 3500 Crew LB 40 gal reserve tank / RETRAX Bed Cover / 2020 373RD HC / IS / MOPEKA Tank Monitor / Furrion Side&Rear Cameras
Slide Toppers / EMS-HW50C / Sailun 85's
3rd AC / Dometic 320
Ram Montana High Country is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-20-2017, 09:25 AM   #25
mlh
Montana Master
 
Join Date: Oct 2004
Location: Salem
Posts: 7,711
M.O.C. #2283
Worth the money? No.
Air is about 78% and that's good enough for me.
Lynwood
mlh is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-20-2017, 09:42 AM   #26
phillyg
Montana Master
 
Join Date: Aug 2015
Location: SWFL
Posts: 965
M.O.C. #17801
Texan said, "Why have a G rated tire if you are not going to take advantage of the increased load capacity."

For the first time that I know of, we have a published psi chart for an ST tire. Perhaps that's because the Sailun G637 is a rebadged all position LT tire.

Previously we were well-advised to run cruddy ST tires at max psi because anything less could cause overheating and blowouts. Now, those FWs between 13-16,000lbs with G-rated Sailuns can be run at less than 110psi.

My FW is probably near the top end weightwise, so I'm starting at 110psi and I've not noticed any difference in ride. I need to get weighed and I'm going to moniter tread depth. If greater in the middle I'll start going down in psi, but no lower than the chart spec.
__________________
2016 Montana 3711FL
2005 Ford F350, 6.0 diesel, short bed
Demco Hitchiker Auto Slide hitch
phillyg is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-20-2017, 09:46 AM   #27
phillyg
Montana Master
 
Join Date: Aug 2015
Location: SWFL
Posts: 965
M.O.C. #17801
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ram Montana High Country View Post
OK - lots of good input - my question is: NITROGEN fill - my Uncle has a bed camper, adds 3000 LBS to truck. His comment was, "Without Nitrogen, he'd pull into rest area and could not put his had on the tires comfortably. With Nitrogen he could"
Worth the money?
I'm thinking it's more likely his truck was overloaded with the camper, and without using a temperature gauge, it's difficult to know the real temp. Air is 78% nitrogen and I believe it's only recommended as a marketing ploy.
__________________
2016 Montana 3711FL
2005 Ford F350, 6.0 diesel, short bed
Demco Hitchiker Auto Slide hitch
phillyg is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-20-2017, 11:15 AM   #28
Texan
Montana Master
 
Join Date: May 2017
Location: new caney
Posts: 1,050
M.O.C. #19873
Weighing your rig will cut out the guessing.I've never heard anyone have problem with there tires running maxium pressure but running low can and will create build-up of heat which is poison to your tires. If a person never wears out there tires then it would probably be wise to keep the maxium pressure for the cooler running and i believe it would more than compensate for the rougher ride. I put about 5 to 6 thousand miles a year on my rig so my tires will most likely time out before they wear out. As hard as the rubber is on the sailuns i could easily see someone getting 40 to 50 thousand miles on there tires if they don't time-out first. ' COOL IS BETTER' especially in the summer.
Texan is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-20-2017, 01:11 PM   #29
CaptnJohn
Montana Master
 
Join Date: May 2017
Location: South East NC
Posts: 1,768
M.O.C. #19865
Here is the email I received from Sailun today. I plan to run them at 100PSI.




John, thank you for being a Sailun customer. Inregards to your inquiry, I am assuming the weight you provided was fully loadedand that you have two axles (4 tires).


The math works out to 3500 lbs./tire. I have attachedthe load and inflation table for ST tires. You will see that at 80 psi,the tire will carry 3640 lbs./tire. So, you can go as low as 80psi. If you want to build some safety in, you can run your tires at 85 or90 psi. The issue with putting too much air is you will find your trailermay “bounce” a little going down the road. You may have to experiment alittle to find the optimal pressure.





You will see the chart only shows up to a 10 ply (“E”) ratedtire. For each 5 psi increase in air pressure, you can carry anadditional 120 lbs. of weight/tire. up to 110 psi.





Hope this helps. Safe travels.





Al Eagleson‘ACE’


Director, Commercial TruckProducts

CaptnJohn is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-20-2017, 09:33 PM   #30
rohrmann
Montana Master
 
rohrmann's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2012
Location: Box Elder
Posts: 4,776
M.O.C. #12947
Phillyg, I think you are mistaken about the Sailun tires, actually S637. If you look at the product sheet, the two 16" sizes have a little '*' next to the part code, and the note indicates that, "All steel construction specifically designed for Trailer application only. Requires special high load capacity wheel. Consult wheel manufacturer for proper application", so these tires, just like the Goodyear G614, are only to be used for trailer applications

http://www.sailuntires.ca/MRT/S637.html

These tires were always intended to be used as a trailer tire, never were all position.
__________________
Bob & Becky
2012 3402RL
2012 Chevy 2500HD D/A CC 4WD
rohrmann is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-21-2017, 09:07 AM   #31
phillyg
Montana Master
 
Join Date: Aug 2015
Location: SWFL
Posts: 965
M.O.C. #17801
Quote:
Originally Posted by rohrmann View Post
Phillyg, I think you are mistaken about the Sailun tires, actually S637. If you look at the product sheet...... these tires, just like the Goodyear G614, are only to be used for trailer applications......
http://www.sailuntires.ca/MRT/S637.html
Yep, typo or brainfart about the "S" v. "G." OTOH, I had to go back in time about the Sailuns only being used for trailer applications, and could not find the specific reference I was looking for. It was a govt. document about some Chinese mfgrs. "rebranding" tires to get around the 2009 Obama administration decision to put a 35% import tariff on passenger and light truck tires.

There was some action in 2014 from US interests to exclude ST tires from the tariff (even though it was unclear to me that the 2009 tariffs ever involved ST tires). I think, but can't now disprove the asterisk in the Sailun product sheet. So, good catch on the asterisk.
__________________
2016 Montana 3711FL
2005 Ford F350, 6.0 diesel, short bed
Demco Hitchiker Auto Slide hitch
phillyg is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-22-2017, 12:46 AM   #32
rohrmann
Montana Master
 
rohrmann's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2012
Location: Box Elder
Posts: 4,776
M.O.C. #12947
The change from the Sailun's being LT tires to what they are now, ST, is the reason you mentioned, to dodge the import tariff on the tire being classed an LT. Still, when they were rated an LT tire, just like the Goodyear G614, which is still rated an LT tire, they both were always spec'd to be a trailer tire only.
__________________
Bob & Becky
2012 3402RL
2012 Chevy 2500HD D/A CC 4WD
rohrmann is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-29-2024, 07:04 PM   #33
Bpcfd581
Established Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2021
Location: Smiths Station
Posts: 11
M.O.C. #28440
MAX!

If you don’t run max cold air psi and are towing and hit a pothole in road, or bridge transition that’s a possible tire blowout and bent rim. If the tire is fully inflated it’s more firm. Pump em up folks! 😎
Bpcfd581 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-29-2024, 08:17 PM   #34
twindman
Montana Master
 
twindman's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2006
Location: Mesa az
Posts: 3,061
M.O.C. #5651
How does everyone handle airing up in hot temp (like Phoenix) and traveling to higher elevations with lower temps? I may air up in 100 or higher temps and travel to areas that are only about 80 tops.

I suppose I should add/remove air as I change temps.??????
__________________

Tom and Gail
2013 Mountaineer 362
2012 Silverado 2500
twindman is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-30-2024, 05:09 AM   #35
RMcNeal
Montana Master
 
RMcNeal's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2019
Location: Jacksonville
Posts: 2,298
M.O.C. #25165
Quote:
Originally Posted by twindman View Post
How does everyone handle airing up in hot temp (like Phoenix) and traveling to higher elevations with lower temps? I may air up in 100 or higher temps and travel to areas that are only about 80 tops.

I suppose I should add/remove air as I change temps.??????
I usually check pressure early in the morning at the coolest part of the day when the tires are not hot from travel. Air up to 110 PSI. If the tires are within 5 PSI, I'll leave them alone, but not more than that tolerance. It's normal for the tires to get in the 130's during travel, especially on the side that gets the sun the most.
__________________
Robert & Diana McNeal
2019 Montana Legacy 3791RD 20th Anniversary Edition
2014 F350 4x4 6.7L SRW
RMcNeal is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 09-30-2024, 07:28 AM   #36
fatcatzzz
Montana Fan
 
Join Date: Jun 2014
Location: Kamiah
Posts: 350
M.O.C. #14438
110 lbs
__________________
Ron&Sue
2017 Montana 3720RL Legacy
14' Ram 3500 DRW
fatcatzzz is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Forum Jump

» Featured Campgrounds

Reviews provided by

Powered by vBadvanced CMPS v3.2.3
Disclaimer:

This website is not affiliated with or endorsed by Montana RV, Keystone RV Company or any of its affiliates. This is an independent, unofficial site.


All times are GMT -6. The time now is 05:30 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.9
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.