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Old 12-23-2019, 11:31 AM   #1
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2020 GM / Andersen Ultimate question...

I need a new hitch for my 2020 Chevy SB Crewcab. My old slider won't convert to the puck system.

Is there anyone that has this setup in a 2020? I would like to know the distance from the center of the Andersen Ultimate hitch ball, to the back of the cab (not the gooseball in the truck).

The wheelbase and the box are longer on the 2020, so it has to be a 2020 truck.

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You may also want to consider the pullrite hitch that is similar to the Anderson. It's a stonger hitch.
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Old 12-23-2019, 01:44 PM   #3
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You may also want to consider the pullrite hitch that is similar to the Anderson. It's a stonger hitch.
That would be a good idea. I would need to have the same dimension (ball to cab) in a 2020 truck as well...
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Old 12-23-2019, 02:09 PM   #4
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You may also want to consider the pullrite hitch that is similar to the Anderson. It's a stonger hitch.
Pullrite doesn't recommend the Superlight in short boxes. That is interesting...
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I hope I am understanding what it is you are looking for. Why not measure your 2020 turnover ball to the back of your cab. Then go to Andersen site for the offset measure of the ultimate hitches ball to the sleeve that goes over the turnover ball. Add the two measurements and you have your distance.
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I hope I am understanding what it is you are looking for. Why not measure your 2020 turnover ball to the back of your cab. Then go to Andersen site for the offset measure of the ultimate hitches ball to the sleeve that goes over the turnover ball. Add the two measurements and you have your distance.
Yes, that would work, if I could find the Andersen offset dimension on their website. I can't find that anywhere on their website....
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I have the Superlight in my 2019 Ram 3500 Shortbed. It actually gives me more room than my old Reese slider. I considered the Andersen hitch also, but Andersen said it would not handle our 22 degree driveway. So, if I was 100 percent certain I would never be on steep terrain, I would consider the Andersen. But if you might ever get in the position where you are on steep terrain, you would want the Pullrite. We did a tour at Pullrite at rally last fall. They had all of the tested hitches (competitions and their own). The Andersen had collapsed during testing. Lots of great hitches out there. Decide what works for you.
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The Andersen offset is back 5" on the hitch itself (5" back from gooseneck ball or 5" back from the center line between your rails). If you set the Pin attachment forward of the pin there's an additional 4" set back while towing. That reduces when turning
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Old 12-23-2019, 06:21 PM   #9
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The Andersen offset is back 5" on the hitch itself (5" back from gooseneck ball or 5" back from the center line between your rails). If you set the Pin attachment forward of the pin there's an additional 4" set back while towing. That reduces when turning
Thanks for this information!!!

I should be able to figure it out from there. One other thing that I saw on the Andersen website is that you have to keep the Trailair RotaFkex from moving,and they have a kit that does that.
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Pullrite doesn't recommend the Superlight in short boxes. That is interesting...
Works very well for us
Used a Demco ISR adapter
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Works very well for us
Used a Demco ISR adapter
That's not a bad idea with the ISR plate. Then you can adapt to any ISR hitch in the future. Does your trailer have the RotaFlex hitch, and if so, do you have to do the same thing like the Andersen, and lock it so it doesn't move?

I'm sure that it's no different than any other SB setup. I'm guessing that PullRite doesn't recommend it, since they have a slider!

Andersen is all about saying it will work, BUT, you need to test it for yourself. CYA!!

There is definitely some my-hitch-is-bigger-than-your-hitch going on between PullRite and Andersen. PullRite claims that there is stronger because it carries more weight. That might be true on the pin load, but not on the weight of the trailer, at least according to the numbers that each of them list as pin weight vs. pulling weight.

PullRite:
20,000 lb. max gross trailer weight towing capacity
5,000 lb. max trailer pin weight capacity

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Rated at 24,000 lbs GTWR and 4,500 lbs tongue weight
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This topic has been thoroughly beat to death on the forum several times. I don’t have a short bed but I am using every bit of the pin weight rating with no issues to date. In addition my experience with Andersen processing a warranty claim this past summer was straight forward without any hint of cynicism.
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This topic has been thoroughly beat to death on the forum several times. I don’t have a short bed but I am using every bit of the pin weight rating with no issues to date. In addition my experience with Andersen processing a warranty claim this past summer was straight forward without any hint of cynicism.
Sorry. There are too many topics out there like this that have been beat to death. I thought that I was onto something. Dangit... LOL...
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Lippert AirRide long jaw pin box.
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That's not a bad idea with the ISR plate. Then you can adapt to any ISR hitch in the future. Does your trailer have the RotaFlex hitch, and if so, do you have to do the same thing like the Andersen, and lock it so it doesn't move?

I'm sure that it's no different than any other SB setup. I'm guessing that PullRite doesn't recommend it, since they have a slider!

Andersen is all about saying it will work, BUT, you need to test it for yourself. CYA!!

There is definitely some my-hitch-is-bigger-than-your-hitch going on between PullRite and Andersen. PullRite claims that there is stronger because it carries more weight. That might be true on the pin load, but not on the weight of the trailer, at least according to the numbers that each of them list as pin weight vs. pulling weight.

PullRite:
20,000 lb. max gross trailer weight towing capacity
5,000 lb. max trailer pin weight capacity

Andersen:
Rated at 24,000 lbs GTWR and 4,500 lbs tongue weight
I am not a fan of the goose ball mount hitches, have spoke to several in campgrounds that agree the hitch rotates on the ball.
That is why I obtained the first prototype mount from Demco, to mount the SuperLite I had been using.
I also have a SuperGlide, and see no reason it wouldn't work.
I installed a long jaw air pinbox to increase my cab clearance on the '18 and improve ride.
used it as is on the 2020, fantastic overall ride quality.
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I am not a fan of the goose ball mount hitches, have spoke to several in campgrounds that agree the hitch rotates on the ball.
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That is the one thing that I wonder about too on the ball mounts. Just seems like it could rotate on there. Obviously, it must work pretty well, as you don't hear a lot of people complaining about it.

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That is why I obtained the first prototype mount from Demco, to mount the SuperLite I had been using.
I also have a SuperGlide, and see no reason it wouldn't work.
I wonder if PullRite will do the same thing? If they would, I would probably get a base like this, and then get an ISR slider hitch. Then it stays with us forever, and I'll I might need to get is a new base plate to match the pucks...
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That is why I obtained the first prototype mount from Demco, to mount the SuperLite I had been using.

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I do like that Decmo base for the 2020. It spreads that load out over a large area with the big base plate...
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You may also want to consider the pullrite hitch that is similar to the Anderson. It's a stonger hitch.
And what are the forces that were exerted on the Pullright that shows it is stronger. Salesmen? Or are the forces that we as consumers exert on either hitch far less than failure threshold for both. Just asking.
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I am not a fan of the goose ball mount hitches, have spoke to several in campgrounds that agree the hitch rotates on the ball.
That is why I obtained the first prototype mount from Demco, to mount the SuperLite I had been using.
I also have a SuperGlide, and see no reason it wouldn't work.
I installed a long jaw air pinbox to increase my cab clearance on the '18 and improve ride.
used it as is on the 2020, fantastic overall ride quality.



It was just a matter of time before anecdotal data arrived. Never had any problems with the pin adaptor rotating. Folllowed provided instructions for proper torgue of the set screws
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It was just a matter of time before anecdotal data arrived. Never had any problems with the pin adaptor rotating. Folllowed provided instructions for proper torgue of the set screws
Well you're just a lucky guy then.
Set screws in a sheet metal bed, that seems very secure.
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