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06-28-2022, 03:17 PM
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Montana Master
Join Date: Jul 2020
Location: Battleford
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M.O.C. #26690
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Originally Posted by AZ Traveler
Your truck brakes stop the truck and your trailer brakes stop the trailer. Either can do both but not very well or safely.
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Agreed, but not sure how that relates to the thread?
Brad
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06-28-2022, 06:49 PM
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Montana Master
Join Date: Jan 2022
Location: Shingle Springs
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Originally Posted by 77cruiser
Thankfully the WP aren't as aggressive here as the other sight.
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The exact reason I left the other site! I was filleted like a flounder over there for even speaking! How dare I have an opinion!
BTW as far as brakes are concerned I'm amazed at the stopping power of the trailer brakes on their own! I tried them at 35mph and wow. They didn't lock up and they stopped the truck. Of course I was controlling them preventing a lock up.
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06-29-2022, 06:47 AM
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Montana Master
Join Date: Jun 2018
Location: Carson City
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M.O.C. #21963
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Originally Posted by 432bartman
Here's my weigh in with my 2020 Silverado 2500HD CC, standard bed Duramax. My trailer has a GVWR of 16,600lbs. Empty it's 13,052. Fully loaded truck and trailer at the CAT scale, my trailer had a weight of 15,160lbs. The weight of the trailer on the back of my truck was 3,520lbs. My truck's factory max payload weight rating is 3182lbs. So I'm over by 338lbs. on my rear axle. Bought the truck before the trailer. Am I worried....no. My truck's max gooseneck tow rating is 18,500, so I know my brakes are up to the task of stopping my 15,160lb trailer.
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Out of curiosity, have you weighed the truck without the trailer? Are your calculations based upon published ratings or actual weights?
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06-29-2022, 11:31 AM
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Montana Master
Join Date: May 2020
Location: UPLAND
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M.O.C. #26190
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Why not safely? If my truck is rated to tow 18,500, and my trailer weighs 15,100, I'm well within the safety margin for my truck's factory brakes, which are the exact same brakes on a 3500, and my trailer brakes are clearly within its safety margin, since I'm well below the trailer's GVWR.
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06-29-2022, 11:33 AM
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Montana Fan
Join Date: Mar 2020
Location: Frostbite Falls
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M.O.C. #26015
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Some don't believe 2500 & 3500 are the same other than springs & maybe tires. At least GM is.
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06-29-2022, 11:34 AM
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Montana Master
Join Date: May 2020
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M.O.C. #26190
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Originally Posted by Montana Man
Out of curiosity, have you weighed the truck without the trailer? Are your calculations based upon published ratings or actual weights?
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All done at the CAT scale.......Truck first, then I came back a second time completely loaded down......dog, wife, food, two E-Bikes, two electric scooters, clothes, the works. Here's the weight of just the truck.
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06-29-2022, 05:01 PM
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Montana Master
Join Date: Jul 2020
Location: Battleford
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M.O.C. #26690
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Quote:
Originally Posted by 432bartman
All done at the CAT scale.......Truck first, then I came back a second time completely loaded down......dog, wife, food, two E-Bikes, two electric scooters, clothes, the works. Here's the weight of just the truck.
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Thanks!
Do have a copy you can share, loaded up? I appreciate you sharing real world data.
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06-29-2022, 05:23 PM
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Montana Master
Join Date: Jun 2018
Location: Carson City
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M.O.C. #21963
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Quote:
Originally Posted by 432bartman
All done at the CAT scale.......Truck first, then I came back a second time completely loaded down......dog, wife, food, two E-Bikes, two electric scooters, clothes, the works. Here's the weight of just the truck.
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There is one more number missing and that's the gvwr that is on door jamb sticker. I'm only estimating but it seems that the overweight amount previously stated may be off. Perhaps in the 800lb. + range.
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07-01-2022, 05:43 PM
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Montana Fan
Join Date: May 2015
Location: Livermore
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Chief Brown
I thought I had done my homework, but unfortunately, I had only done part of it. It just never occurred to me to check payload capacity. As I stated earlier, I assumed if it was rated to tow 17,860# it would have the payload capacity to match that.
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You did your homework and your truck is just fine. You're true payload id dictated by your axle rating and load capacity of your tires. Don't pay any attention to the yellow sticker except for tire pressure. I have said it a thousand times but these old guys thin k you ain't driving a dully than you don't have enough truck. It's nonsense. My F250 is capable of towing a 5er weighing 15.900 pounds. But if I go by the sticker than I can only tow the 900 part. It's just stupid to think your truck is limited by some sticker that has a 10,000 payload limit. You can get the same sticker on a one ton just the same. Your truck is just fine. Don't let these I played a layer on tv tell you different.
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07-02-2022, 11:27 AM
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Montana Master
Join Date: May 2020
Location: UPLAND
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M.O.C. #26190
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Montana Man
There is one more number missing and that's the gvwr that is on door jamb sticker. I'm only estimating but it seems that the overweight amount previously stated may be off. Perhaps in the 800lb. + range.
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My truck door sticker for the GVWR is 11,350lbs. I only posted the weight of the truck, because that is what was asked. I do realize I'm over on the GVWR too at 730lbs.
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07-02-2022, 02:32 PM
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Montana Master
Join Date: May 2006
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Slow Hand
....You're true payload id dictated by your axle rating and load capacity of your tires. Don't pay any attention to the yellow sticker except for tire pressure....
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Sure it is, tell that to the police and insurance company.
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07-02-2022, 04:03 PM
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Montana Master
Join Date: Oct 2004
Location: Salem
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Being overweight will NOT affect your insurance. If they insure you they can not pick and choose when they will cover you. If they could they would never cover anything. If you have any doubts check with your insurance company, I did.
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07-02-2022, 05:39 PM
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Montana Master
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: McKinney
Posts: 7,366
M.O.C. #6433
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I would not worry about insurance. Or even too much about law enforcement. A negligent liability lawsuit filed against you by someone you may have been in an accident with is a whole different matter, especially if injuries or worse were involved. Even if you were not at fault for causing the accident.
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07-03-2022, 05:53 AM
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Montana Master
Join Date: Sep 2017
Location: Florence
Posts: 963
M.O.C. #20472
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Slow Hand
You did your homework and your truck is just fine. You're true payload id dictated by your axle rating and load capacity of your tires. Don't pay any attention to the yellow sticker except for tire pressure. I have said it a thousand times but these old guys thin k you ain't driving a dully than you don't have enough truck. It's nonsense. My F250 is capable of towing a 5er weighing 15.900 pounds. But if I go by the sticker than I can only tow the 900 part. It's just stupid to think your truck is limited by some sticker that has a 10,000 payload limit. You can get the same sticker on a one ton just the same. Your truck is just fine. Don't let these I played a layer on tv tell you different.
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I don’t see anyone promoting dually, with the 2500 it’s the pin weight not so much the tow capacity. My 3160RL will squash a 2500 with my pin weight of 4280lbs so if your aware of your pin weight towing is not an issue.
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07-03-2022, 08:10 AM
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Established Member
Join Date: Jun 2022
Location: Easley
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M.O.C. #31261
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There is no doubt that a 250, 2500 will pull the weight. The problem is not with towing capacity but the TOTAL weight being placed on the truck itself. Max payload, not max towing. Of course most law enforcement agencies arent gonna pull you over and chek you. As mentioned before, if you are involved in an accident even if it's not your fault. The other person could sue you in a civil court for running your rig overloaded. Doesn't matter if you add air bags, helper springs, etc...any decent lawyer will win in court if you are running overloaded. Another issue is correct drivers license. In SC and many other states, if your combined GVWR exceeds 26,000 lbs then you must have a class F license. If not properly licensed then technically you are towing illegally anyway. Not bashing 3/4 ton trucks they are awesome vehicles. Just pay attention to the weight being placed on the truck, which includes pin weight, cargo, and all occupants.
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07-03-2022, 08:44 AM
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Montana Master
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: McKinney
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M.O.C. #6433
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Originally Posted by Vaughlw
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. Another issue is correct drivers license. In SC and many other states, if your combined GVWR exceeds 26,000 lbs then you must have a class F license. If not properly licensed then technically you are towing illegally anyway. ...........
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In Texas and some other states, it is a class A non CDL for those same GCWR weights. But I would almost bet that less than half of the people with RVs over 26,000 lbs have the proper license.
My 2007 3075RL plus my truck combined GVWRs came in at just under 26,000 lbs and I continued towing with my class C. But the trailer weight was more than the class C allowed. But my total weight did not reach the class A or B definition limits. So I was in kind of a grey zone.
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07-03-2022, 09:23 AM
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Montana Master
Join Date: Mar 2021
Location: Western NY
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I am under the impression that curb weight includes full fuel. If that’s the case, ccc would not include weight of fuel but certainly everything else, which adds up quickly.
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07-03-2022, 10:18 AM
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Montana Master
Join Date: Oct 2006
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M.O.C. #6433
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Quote:
Originally Posted by MandK
I am under the impression that curb weight includes full fuel. If that’s the case, ccc would not include weight of fuel but certainly everything else, which adds up quickly.
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That’s how Ford defines it.
https://www.ford.com/support/how-tos...of-my-vehicle/
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07-03-2022, 10:39 AM
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Established Member
Join Date: Jun 2022
Location: Easley
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M.O.C. #31261
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You are correct MandK it does include fuel. My bad. Edited my previous post to not include fuel and oil.
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07-03-2022, 01:58 PM
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Montana Fan
Join Date: Jun 2018
Location: Jacksonville
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From everything I read here, it comes down to two things once you hit the scales.
1. If you are over weight, is it something you can live with, is it so close it's not a problem or it's all about the ability to stop and you are ok with it.
2. Are you comfortable that the chance of getting checked (very low in my opinion) does not worry you, or being involved in an accident and most likely being checked.
It's all about your comfort level.
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