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03-15-2019, 01:05 PM
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Montana Fan
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Keystone LoadSafe Concept
Keystone recently unveiled a new innovation called LoadSafe. The below video explains the feature and benefit.
Would this be a useful feature?
What would you pay for an option like this?
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03-15-2019, 01:58 PM
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Site Team
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Seems like a good concept. No clue how much it would add to cost. Seems like the real payoff would be on a toy hauler where you can make major weight changes by driving a vehicle into it. Would also be worthwhile on other rigs.
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03-15-2019, 02:46 PM
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Montana Master
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I very well may wind up being the only one with this opinion but I see this as a solution looking for a problem. If this took 4 years to develop then it is way to complicated for the application environment IMHO. If history is any indicator then I would have concerns regarding the components and their ease of repair, replacement and reliability. In addition in the event that something happens how do you certify that the weights were accurate? Is there a calibration process? Who can certify that it was calibrated correctly? If not then what's the point. Scales are readily available and certified. I would happily spend $15 for two weighs any day of the week. I have no idea what this will add to the cost of a coach as an option but I know it's a lot more than the $30 it will cost me to weigh my rig and truck twice a year.
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03-15-2019, 04:25 PM
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Montana Master
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If I cared that much, I'd rather just buy a portable scale system than something that would be permanent on the trailer. You could use it on any rig too. I'd imagine the Keystone option price would far exceed a portable setup.
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03-15-2019, 05:00 PM
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Montana Fan
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To answer the OP second question, it's an option I would leave off my wish list, so the amount I would pay is zero.
John
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03-15-2019, 06:03 PM
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Site Team
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Once a year we pay to have our rig and truck weighed. The problem we found was the truck could handle the weight, but you couldn't by SRW tires to handle that weight wouldn't have been caught by a system on the trailer. In fact it would have given me confidence I shouldn't have had. So it's a big no for me.
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03-15-2019, 06:47 PM
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Montana Master
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Could this answer the question no one was asking?
Lynwood
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03-15-2019, 08:49 PM
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Montana Fan
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Neat gadget. Enough said.
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03-15-2019, 09:51 PM
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Montana Master
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No thanks I'll go weigh my setup at the cat-scale once a year.
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03-16-2019, 06:53 AM
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Montana Master
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Okay I'll weigh in on this one. Sorry too easy
It looks like it would be Legacy only. Unless of course you start adding InCommand to non-Legacy. So this limits the pool.
The Units this would be useful are the 3790/3791 372/373 and 380/381. 2 of those are MHC and not legacy available. I pick these units because they have the most cargo space.
Let's assume I am wrong(don't tell DW I put that in writing) and you make available for all legacy and non-legacy.
You might want to get answers to the following questions:
How many have ever loaded up and then hit the scales?
How often do those that hit the scales go more than once? Our "load wold only change +- 200 pounds depending on trip.
How many have ever overloaded their 5er?
How many even care about the weight? (think of the number of folks here that pull with a 3/4T) I know this will get some folks defensive, but this is a discussion about staying within published weights.
Now if you really want to add a feature people would pay extra for how about disk brakes available for non-legacy.
How much money is being left on the table for that omission?
Dometic 310/320 as an option? Or just make the switch and be done with it.
Drawers lower cabinets in 3700/3701LK. Who ever heard of a Luxury Kitchen without a pantry?
I could go on, but you should get the idea. Focus on what folks would use everyday (or more than once everyday in the case of a 320) and less bells and whistles.
You can use this tag line once you get there "Montana the Best selling usable luxury 5th wheel on the market."
Well off to build drawers to make DW happy. pix to follow
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03-16-2019, 07:37 AM
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Montana Master
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Keystone needs to be investing $ into build QUALITY not snake oils like this garbage that will just fail anyway.
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03-16-2019, 01:04 PM
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Established Member
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Quote:
Originally Posted by WeBeFulltime
Keystone needs to be investing $ into build QUALITY not snake oils like this garbage that will just fail anyway.
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X2 ! !
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03-24-2019, 04:47 PM
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Seasoned Camper
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Pops8
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03-24-2019, 05:12 PM
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Montana Fan
Join Date: Jun 2015
Location: Cedar Park
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I think it could be the greatest thing since sliced bread. Wow, all the nay sayers. Probably over 90% of 5th wheelers are novices and would benefit greatly from this. The forums are absolutely dominated by weight discussions and arguments. Can't imagine why it's not a good thing.
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03-16-2019, 08:41 AM
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Site Team
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Location: Oro Valley
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Quote:
Originally Posted by jeffba
Okay I'll weigh in on this one. Sorry too easy
It looks like it would be Legacy only. Unless of course you start adding InCommand to non-Legacy. So this limits the pool.
The Units this would be useful are the 3790/3791 372/373 and 380/381. 2 of those are MHC and not legacy available. I pick these units because they have the most cargo space.
Let's assume I am wrong(don't tell DW I put that in writing) and you make available for all legacy and non-legacy.
You might want to get answers to the following questions:
How many have ever loaded up and then hit the scales?
How often do those that hit the scales go more than once? Our "load wold only change +- 200 pounds depending on trip.
How many have ever overloaded their 5er?
How many even care about the weight? (think of the number of folks here that pull with a 3/4T) I know this will get some folks defensive, but this is a discussion about staying within published weights.
Now if you really want to add a feature people would pay extra for how about disk brakes available for non-legacy.
How much money is being left on the table for that omission?
Dometic 310/320 as an option? Or just make the switch and be done with it.
Drawers lower cabinets in 3700/3701LK. Who ever heard of a Luxury Kitchen without a pantry?
I could go on, but you should get the idea. Focus on what folks would use everyday (or more than once everyday in the case of a 320) and less bells and whistles.
You can use this tag line once you get there "Montana the Best selling usable luxury 5th wheel on the market."
Well off to build drawers to make DW happy. pix to follow
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Jeff,
I think this is intended for a true toy hauler like a Fuzion or a Raptor vice a Montana. We can't drive a heavy UTV or sandrail into the back of ours like you can with a true hauler and can manage fine with a trip to the scale.
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03-16-2019, 09:10 AM
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Montana Fan
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Do the people at Keystone actually listen to what the customers would like to see in their units??????? I don't recall even one MOC member mention anything that even resembles this. It would seem to me that the monies expended to develop such a useless option could have been spent on some the the concerns with quality improvement of their already developed product. A prime example is the pivot door, how many have replaced it? Or better yet, how many LIKE it?
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03-16-2019, 11:25 AM
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Montana Master
Join Date: Jan 2017
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Quote:
Originally Posted by rmthelen
Do the people at Keystone actually listen to what the customers would like to see in their units??????? I don't recall even one MOC member mention anything that even resembles this. ...
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MAybe not, but how many times have there been discussion on "is my trailer too heavy, or can my truck tow this"
... blah blah blah... This product is for the lazy RV buyer that does not want to or cannot do the simple math. If you have a toy hauler and vary what you carry by a wide margin frequently... you have a use for this... most of us would not.
Profit center for the RV dealer, nothing more.
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03-24-2019, 05:49 PM
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Montana Fan
Join Date: Mar 2018
Location: Atlanta
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Quote:
Originally Posted by rmthelen
A prime example is the pivot door, how many have replaced it? Or better yet, how many LIKE it?
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I think the pivot door is an awesome idea
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03-16-2019, 11:21 AM
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Montana Master
Join Date: Jan 2017
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If it is a 300 dollar option, it is a waste of money when you can CAT scale twice a year for 10 years. Now if you regularly carry widely changing loads in a toyhauler there might be some value. For most people , me included, I suspect this is unnecessary and pure profit for dealer that will spec the units they order to sell on their lot.
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03-24-2019, 02:11 PM
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Montana Fan
Join Date: Apr 2015
Location: Omaha
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I know where this is going. They're going to put it on the hi-end units and eventually it will spread to all units. Hopefully it won't be legislated as a required safety feature. And the selling point will be that you'll get an insurance break for this safety feature. What the video didn't tell us is what the recourse is if the weights do turn red for overloading the RV or for a rear heavy load. Does it set the brakes and you're not permitted to go? I have to say that I appreciate their concern for the right-size load. After-all, that's why some can't stop to avoid the accident or why handling problems caused the accident. But rather than building the RV thinner and flimsier each year, I'd rather see the materials being used stronger and safer even though they might be lighter and weigh less. I'd rather have faith that if I did overload that this good RV it is going to survive and still be going down the road. I would prefer that the truck had the sensors to detect an overload whether in the bed or being towed. That would help with the 3/4 Ton problem.
But in reality i don't think they're going to build an RV that has all hydreaulic slides, and walls that don't pull apart, and floors that don't sag with tires rated for more than the posted load, and with built in tire pressure monitors. And if that's going to be the norm, then they'd better get to adding these features (at no additional cost) that protect us from all of failures that are going to happen regardless of load.
My opinion is that if the quality of the new RV was an improvement over the good quality of my 10-yr old unit, then I would check the scale option off as an enhancement that I might be interested in. But it's just like putting Onstar and air-conditioning and power steering on a go-cart. If the skeleton isn't a car, why add lipstic?
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