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09-20-2018, 06:37 AM
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Seasoned Camper
Join Date: Sep 2018
Location: Hudson Valley
Posts: 62
M.O.C. #22628
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Upgrades Necessary and Nice to have.
Just ordered first 5th from Hershey show and would like to know recommended MUST HAVES and also future upgrades to look into.
Also tips and tricks welcome like “clips, hooks, adapters, etc”
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09-20-2018, 08:14 AM
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Montana Fan
Join Date: Mar 2014
Location: New Port Richey
Posts: 438
M.O.C. #14092
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The first must have is a Surge Protector. The 2 major brands are Surge Guard and Progressive industries EMS. Both brands basically do the same with maybe slight differences. You can either get a portable unit which you plug into campsite power box or you can get a hardwired unit that is permanently mounted in your RV. I installed the Surge Guard 50 amp hardwired unit with the remote panel in my RV and it has been working great with no issues. It's personal preference as to which one you get. Do your research and decide which one works for you and also do a search on this forum.
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2012 Montana 3750FL
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09-20-2018, 10:27 AM
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Seasoned Camper
Join Date: Sep 2018
Location: Hudson Valley
Posts: 62
M.O.C. #22628
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Quote:
Originally Posted by DmaxDually
The first must have is a Surge Protector. The 2 major brands are Surge Guard and Progressive industries EMS. Both brands basically do the same with maybe slight differences. You can either get a portable unit which you plug into campsite power box or you can get a hardwired unit that is permanently mounted in your RV. I installed the Surge Guard 50 amp hardwired unit with the remote panel in my RV and it has been working great with no issues. It's personal preference as to which one you get. Do your research and decide which one works for you and also do a search on this forum.
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Thanks been considering EMS vs Surge Only but have heard issues with hardwired units and certain generators like Honda and floating ground and no bypass on the hardwired units. I don't have a generator yet... the unit is ordered with Generator prep so I can do LP generator or can look into something like the Honda units. It has 2 AC's so eventually would like to get some suggestions about :
Power:
battery upgrades to do
solar panels
generator
slow start for AC's
eventually would like the ability to have solar for boon docking but for our first season with it we'll be using our seasonal site.
As far as Solar does anyone know, if possible, to use Solar as primary and House as secondary? We pay for electric at our seasonal which is fine but if I can use solar to offset part of that cost then that would be useful, as well as having the solar ready for dry camping.
Unit 3855BR comes with Residential Fridge so want to make sure whether we are doing a 2 hour or 6 hour drive things stay cold. Anyone with Residential Fridges have issues with this? I've only had RV fridges in the past that can run on gas while driving so hasn't been issue.
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09-26-2018, 01:22 PM
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Established Member
Join Date: Apr 2011
Location: Hutchinson
Posts: 42
M.O.C. #11300
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Been full timing for 15 years and never had surge protector. Maybe we were just lucky though a few claim they are more a bother than anything. I suppose nothing would be lost by having one but, as I said, we did not and camped all over the Country.
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09-26-2018, 01:47 PM
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Montana Master
Join Date: Nov 2015
Location: Arlington
Posts: 1,523
M.O.C. #18081
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Maury
Been full timing for 15 years and never had surge protector. Maybe we were just lucky though a few claim they are more a bother than anything. I suppose nothing would be lost by having one but, as I said, we did not and camped all over the Country.
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You sir should buy a Powerball ticket today...or go with me to Vegas
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2015 Volvo VNL780 D13, iShift, 32k ET air hitch, Idle Free LiFePO4 APU
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09-26-2018, 01:56 PM
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Established Member
Join Date: Apr 2011
Location: Hutchinson
Posts: 42
M.O.C. #11300
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Appreciated the humor (sarcasm?) Just my opinion and considering some of the ills that have befallen us in 15 years, doubt we were just lucky! So many things to consider when RV'ing and having surge protector one of them. We decided not to and do not regret it. Only this summer talked to man who had one and was complaining about trouble it gave him with some camp readings that suggested he not use that particular "post." Others have used it but maybe they, too, were lucky. Never spend money on P.Ticket nor Vegas!
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09-26-2018, 02:07 PM
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Montana Master
Join Date: Nov 2015
Location: Arlington
Posts: 1,523
M.O.C. #18081
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It was intended as humor for sure. We have had one or two electrical pedestal issues per season. I guess it's like an insurance policy.
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2015 Volvo VNL780 D13, iShift, 32k ET air hitch, Idle Free LiFePO4 APU
16.8KWhr LiFePO4, 2.52 kw solar, 10kva Victron split phase
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09-20-2018, 08:14 AM
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Montana Master
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: McKinney
Posts: 7,361
M.O.C. #6433
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Would help to know if Montana or High Country and floorplan.
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Riley, our Golden
2007 3075RL (recently sold, currently without)
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09-20-2018, 10:20 AM
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Seasoned Camper
Join Date: Sep 2018
Location: Hudson Valley
Posts: 62
M.O.C. #22628
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Quote:
Originally Posted by BB_TX
Would help to know if Montana or High Country and floorplan.
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2019 Montana 3855BR 20th Anniversary (Sorry thought it said on my profile to the left)
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09-20-2018, 11:04 AM
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Montana Master
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: McKinney
Posts: 7,361
M.O.C. #6433
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Quote:
Originally Posted by montana20
2019 Montana 3855BR 20th Anniversary (Sorry thought it said on my profile to the left)
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I am on my phone and did not see it. If you add the info to your signature and click on Show Signature then that info will always show below your message as it shows below many of ours.
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Riley, our Golden
2007 3075RL (recently sold, currently without)
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09-20-2018, 10:45 AM
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Montana Master
Join Date: Nov 2012
Location: Rancho Santa Margarita
Posts: 633
M.O.C. #13025
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I have the Progressive hardwired and it does have a bypass on my remote readout. Very happy. I did have to add a neutral ground bonded plug with my Honda, very easy to make yourself.
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2004 Chevy Silverado 2500 HD, D/A, SRW, SB
2005 2955RL, Pullrite Superglide 16K hitch. Bridgestone Duravis R500 tires. EZ Flex Equilizers with wet bolts.EMS HW50C, Disk brakes
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09-20-2018, 10:55 AM
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Seasoned Camper
Join Date: Sep 2018
Location: Hudson Valley
Posts: 62
M.O.C. #22628
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Quote:
Originally Posted by h2ojocky
I have the Progressive hardwired and it does have a bypass on my remote readout. Very happy. I did have to add a neutral ground bonded plug with my Honda, very easy to make yourself.
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So you create a plug with neutral and ground jumped and plug that into the generator and good to go?
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2019 Montana 3855BR 20th Anniversary (coming soon)
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09-26-2018, 06:07 PM
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Montana Fan
Join Date: Oct 2008
Location: Summerville
Posts: 375
M.O.C. #8908
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Quote:
Originally Posted by h2ojocky
I have the Progressive hardwired and it does have a bypass on my remote readout. Very happy. I did have to add a neutral ground bonded plug with my Honda, very easy to make yourself.
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I agree
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2019 "3791RD" Montana - 2019 Chevy Duramax/Allison 3500 Crewcab
Summerville, South Carolina
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09-20-2018, 11:08 AM
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Montana Master
Join Date: Nov 2012
Location: Rancho Santa Margarita
Posts: 633
M.O.C. #13025
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Yes that is correct.
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Russ and Linda, So. California
2004 Chevy Silverado 2500 HD, D/A, SRW, SB
2005 2955RL, Pullrite Superglide 16K hitch. Bridgestone Duravis R500 tires. EZ Flex Equilizers with wet bolts.EMS HW50C, Disk brakes
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09-20-2018, 11:19 AM
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Seasoned Camper
Join Date: Sep 2018
Location: Hudson Valley
Posts: 62
M.O.C. #22628
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Anyone have recommendations on EMS-LCHW50 vs EMS-HW50C.
Also mount location?
Also looking at Mopeka Dual Tank Sensor with Remote Monitor ( https://www.campingworld.com/mopeka-...8aAuPxEALw_wcB)
Would probably want both remotes to be mounted inside the control panel where other monitors are.
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2019 Montana 3855BR 20th Anniversary (coming soon)
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09-20-2018, 12:07 PM
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Site Team
Join Date: Sep 2017
Location: Oro Valley
Posts: 4,083
M.O.C. #20477
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Make sure you review the pros and cons of external vs internal EMS systems. If you are planning to boondock with a genny you want an internal system that you can turn off or an external that you don't plug in.
Not sure what size inverter your rig will come with for the residential reefer but you are going to want 2000-3000 watts for boondocking. Many of the models with the residential reefer come with 2000 which will work to power other things than the reefer.
After the EMS, my first priority would be your battery bank. I would go to a 4 or 6 battery bank of 6 volt golf cart batteries. If you have deep pockets consider going lithium - that bank would run you $4000-5000. This will support most of what you would want to do later with boondocking. If you can do this right away I would not waste money on the second 12 volt battery they will try to sell you as part of the residential reefer package. If you are not sure about boondocking wait on the battery bank.
Take your time on a lot of the other upgrades - read and talk to other folks before jumping on every new gadget. You should already have good tires, solid steps, good suspension and king pin and if you went legacy you should get disk brakes.
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09-20-2018, 12:47 PM
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Seasoned Camper
Join Date: Sep 2018
Location: Hudson Valley
Posts: 62
M.O.C. #22628
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Quote:
Originally Posted by AZ Traveler
Make sure you review the pros and cons of external vs internal EMS systems. If you are planning to boondock with a genny you want an internal system that you can turn off or an external that you don't plug in.
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If I understand the bonded neutral ground plug then this would work for internal and external EMS units (even without bypass). What, if any, are the pros and cons of each then?
Thanks for the info on the battery banks. I definitely don’t have deep pockets so will probably have to work up to that. Maybe while at seasonal I can get box plus 2 x 6 and work up to 4 or 6 total? Based on your comment guessing mine will only come with 1 x 12 and not 2?
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09-20-2018, 01:07 PM
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Site Team
Join Date: Sep 2017
Location: Oro Valley
Posts: 4,083
M.O.C. #20477
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Quote:
Originally Posted by montana20
If I understand the bonded neutral ground plug then this would work for internal and external EMS units (even without bypass). What, if any, are the pros and cons of each then?
Thanks for the info on the battery banks. I definitely don’t have deep pockets so will probably have to work up to that. Maybe while at seasonal I can get box plus 2 x 6 and work up to 4 or 6 total? Based on your comment guessing mine will only come with 1 x 12 and not 2?
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Here is a thread on internal vs external EMS.
http://www.montanaowners.com/forums/...ad.php?t=74094
Most dealers install a second battery in rigs with a residential reefer.
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Zack and Donna plus Millie and Ranger
2018 3160RL
"Life is too short to stay indoors, enjoy the ride!"
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09-20-2018, 12:42 PM
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Montana Fan
Join Date: Oct 2017
Location: Fulton
Posts: 456
M.O.C. #20688
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Where are you finding Legacy package will include disc brakes?
Disc brakes aren’t even in the available options I’m seeing on Montana order form.
Maybe I’m not looking in the right place.
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Wayne & Malinda
2018 Montana 3731FL
MORryde IS/DiscBrakes
2017 F450 DRW KR 4x4
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09-20-2018, 01:25 PM
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Seasoned Camper
Join Date: Sep 2018
Location: Hudson Valley
Posts: 62
M.O.C. #22628
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Quote:
Originally Posted by MidMOTraveler
Where are you finding Legacy package will include disc brakes?
Disc brakes aren’t even in the available options I’m seeing on Montana order form.
Maybe I’m not looking in the right place.
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I didn’t mention disc brakes but 20th with Legacy did have them on the order form under Legacy package. Didn’t opt for the Legacy $8k option.
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