[DQDick]

quote:Originally posted by Neil.M

Don't want to start an argument here, but after retiring from the Wichita Police Dept. and then retiring a second time from the Missouri Safety Center, the State's center for training in all things related to Highway Safety, the standard for running a red light, according to US Dept. of Transportation/Federal Highway Administration is that running a red light is entering an intersection on "Red". There are some qualifiers;

•Question: What is red-light Running?
•Answer: Depends on the definition of what a yellow light means.
•The permissive yellow rule is that stated in the MUTCD and Uniform Vehicle Code (UVC).
•37 states + DC have laws in substantial conformity with the meaning of the yellow and red indications in the MUTCD and UVC. Another 9 states require motorists to stop on yellow but also drive cautiously through the intersection on the red if too close to stop safely.
•The definition of a violation for permissive yellow is not technically correct depending how the term "intersection" is defined. According to the MUTCD and UVC, a violation occurs if the motorists crosses the stop line after onset of the red, or if none, the crosswalk, or if none the intersection.
•Four states—LA, TN, RI, WV—prohibit vehicles from crossing the intersection on red. The laws in these four states are not in conformity with the meaning of the yellow and red indications specified in the MUTCD.

MUTCD=Manual on Uniform Traffic Control Devices

So 4 states disregard the federal definition of Run Red Light and have come up with their own. AZ is not one of those states.

Here in KC there was a big flap because the Red Light Camera at one intersection was sending out several hundred tickets a day. Turns out they were taking pictures of cars turning right on red after a stop and traffic clears which is legal in MO and Kansas City. I am not saying people don't gun it to beat the red light, see it all the time here, but just because someone is caught in the intersection means they deserve a ticket is a little harsh in my opinion. This comes from one who dedicated their entire adult life combating human stupidity.

Based on Ozz's previous experience we already know how the city of Goodyear looks at earning revenue from motorists.