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PSFORD99
03-30-2020, 07:31 PM
In the process of buying a new fifth wheel, well new to us.It has a new set of Westlake tires on it 235/85/16 Rated @ 4400 lbs @ 110 psi. Any thoughts or experience with these G rated tires running them on a fifth wheel with a 15,500 GVWR. Thanks for any info on this tire . Reputation etc .

Sdgood1
03-30-2020, 07:49 PM
My experience with west lake was the 15” E rated.. total garbage. Can’t tell you about their G rated. But I would check into them more IMHO

PSFORD99
03-30-2020, 08:19 PM
My experience with west lake was the 15” E rated.. total garbage. Can’t tell you about their G rated. But I would check into them more IMHO

I have checked a few reviews , can't find anything horrible with them as the G rated go. Heres the deal, I am a Sailun fan. My fifth wheel that I just sold had the Sailuns that I bought. If I could have had the chance I would have switched with the Weslakes. That was not possible.

The fifth wheel I am buying is from a friend. Too good of deal to pass up, he had it traded, and as you well know, they were not giving him anywhere close to what he could of sold it for outright. I decided to buy it from him after finding out he was selling it, and got it for the trade in value. The big problem he switched tires ,and wheels . He had just bought new wheels ,and Sailun tires. This new 2020 Bighorn he bought came with the Westlakes, and thats what went on his trade-in. reason I am asking about them. And I am in Utah , and the trailer is in Texas where he bought the new 2020 :facepalm:The friend full times, so it wasn't like he could just drop it off ,and go buy a new one.

Ram Montana High Country
03-30-2020, 09:01 PM
Well, save piece of mind - you got a deal, protect it and put new Sailuns on. See if your friend will take delivery and when you go to pick it up Discount Tire will install - I was like your friend and swapped tires on my trade, dealer was kind enough to put them on the new wheels

mazboy
03-31-2020, 09:31 AM
I assume you are buying a new Montana since this is a Montana site. I thought Montana was only putting on Saliun or Good year tires on their tires. Interesting

1retired06
03-31-2020, 09:42 AM
For what it is worth, sat down with my tire dealer in NC last summer, he carries or can reach out and get any brand from his distributor. When I asked him for his recommendation for G load tires for our fifth wheel, he said Sailun or G614, with no other recommended tire brand. .Congrats on the new rig!

jsb5717
03-31-2020, 10:24 AM
I recently saw a YouTube video of the 5 worst/most dangerous tire brands. West Lake was among them. It's another subjective view point but just saying for consideration.

PSFORD99
03-31-2020, 11:04 AM
I assume you are buying a new Montana since this is a Montana site. I thought Montana was only putting on Saliun or Good year tires on their tires. Interesting

I have been a member of this forum for a number of years. I presently own a Montana fifth wheel, my second, but this subject is Westlake tires.

PSFORD99
03-31-2020, 11:09 AM
For what it is worth, sat down with my tire dealer in NC last summer, he carries or can reach out and get any brand from his distributor. When I asked him for his recommendation for G load tires for our fifth wheel, he said Sailun or G614, with no other recommended tire brand. .Congrats on the new rig!


I am skeptical of Goodyear, since their track record on G614's are no where near that of the Sailun, my first pick ,and only pick with purchasing would be Sailun. Maybe what I should do is check in with a Heartland Forum where they are getting these fifth wheels with Westlakes .

CaptnJohn
03-31-2020, 07:23 PM
Current 2019 Montana arrived with Sailun tires, previous arrived with Rainier tires. I pulled that 5er from the dealer to the tire Rainiers.

Ram Montana High Country
03-31-2020, 07:37 PM
I assume you are buying a new Montana since this is a Montana site. I thought Montana was only putting on Saliun or Good year tires on their tires. Interesting

Montana High Country do not always come with Sailun - maybe Montana

PSFORD99
04-01-2020, 09:41 AM
Montana High Country do not always come with Sailun - maybe Montana


Seems like these fifth wheels are all over the place on what they put on them .
As said some of the new Big Horns are coming out with the Westlake's . Found a few favorable reviews on the new G rated Westlake's.

What I found out they are being manufactured to the same standards as the G rated Sailuns .

CalandLinda
04-01-2020, 06:54 PM
In the process of buying a new fifth wheel, well new to us.It has a new set of Westlake tires on it 235/85/16 Rated @ 4400 lbs @ 110 psi. Any thoughts or experience with these G rated tires running them on a fifth wheel with a 15,500 GVWR. Thanks for any info on this tire . Reputation etc .

The Westlake ST235/85R16 LRG is not a steel cased tire. However they do advertise nylon overlays for that size.

When not abused by overloading or under inflation they have above average reviews.

Anytime a larger/stiffer tire is used in place of the OE tires, suspension issues are more apt to happen. That's why most will recommend staying with the original designated size and add a load range with the replacements if available.

PSFORD99
04-01-2020, 07:49 PM
The Westlake ST235/85R16 LRG is not a steel cased tire. However they do advertise nylon overlays for that size.

When not abused by overloading or under inflation they have above average reviews.

Anytime a larger/stiffer tire is used in place of the OE tires, suspension issues are more apt to happen. That's why most will recommend staying with the original designated size and add a load range with the replacements if available.

Their description is " Constructed with double steel belts and plies for a long life . Nylon tread firming belt overlays. Is this something different then a steel cased tire ?? The tire in question is the Westlake ST 235/85/16 G rated 4400 lbs @ 110 psi.

Thats the stock tire on a 2020 Big Horn 3925 MLP, 7K axles with conventional leaf spring suspension .

CalandLinda
04-02-2020, 12:32 AM
Their description is " Constructed with double steel belts and plies for a long life . Nylon tread firming belt overlays. Is this something different then a steel cased tire ?? The tire in question is the Westlake ST 235/85/16 G rated 4400 lbs @ 110 psi.

Thats the stock tire on a 2020 Big Horn 3925 MLP, 7K axles with conventional leaf spring suspension .

All steel tires have steel casings, meaning the carcass is built with steel cords vice polyester cords.

Read the material information on the tire sidewall to verify it's construction.

Lionshead is the OEM provider for Westlake tires. The information on the tire sidewall should match the information on their ST tire web site.

jeffba
04-02-2020, 04:57 AM
PSFORD99 your friend opted to go through the trouble to keep the Saliuns. Did you ever ask him why?

PSFORD99
04-02-2020, 05:34 PM
PSFORD99 your friend opted to go through the trouble to keep the Saliuns. Did you ever ask him why?

Itís was pretty simple , he had just bought new wheels , and Sailuns tires , for the fifth wheel Iím buying from him wouldnít you swap the Westlakes for the Sailuns . But yes I certainly know why , the Sailuns are a quality tire . All Iím trying to find out is if those Westlakes are any good.

jeffba
04-03-2020, 12:04 PM
Itís was pretty simple , he had just bought new wheels , and Sailuns tires , for the fifth wheel Iím buying from him wouldnít you swap the Westlakes for the Sailuns . But yes I certainly know why , the Sailuns are a quality tire . All Iím trying to find out is if those Westlakes are any good.

I would follow your friends advice :)

CaptnJohn
04-03-2020, 12:26 PM
I’d get the Sailun and sell the Westlake! I always want the best tires and “good” are not the best. Go cheap in another area.

PSFORD99
04-04-2020, 10:02 AM
I would follow your friends advice :)


It appears the Westlakes are not a rival to the Sailuns . I don't need to follow my friends advice. I fully understand. He has had the same experience I have had , I had the Sailuns on my previous fifth wheel ,had there been an opportunity I would done the same as he did ,and switched tires . Unfortunately the fifth wheel was in Texas , where he was making his new purchase , and switching out the tires.

Anyway, had the fifth wheel transported to Cheyenne , Wy. from Texas, where I met the transport guy. Stayed overnight in it, then proceeded back home it was quick 2 day trip ,and nearly 1000 miles round trip.

The fifth wheel towed great, the previous owner ( my friend ) had upgraded the suspension to Comfort Ride by Roadmaster , and had disc brakes installed. . Had no idea how much better disc brakes were on a fifth wheel, what a smooth effect braking that fifth wheel had. As far as how it rode, it was much better then my previous Montana with the MorRyde suspension , and pin box. This one had just the conventional pin box ,and still towed smoother then the MorRyde on the Montana. Overall a much smoother ride ,and braking then the old Montana. It will definitely be disc brakes , and upgraded suspension with shocks. It was the nicest 500 miles of towing that I have ever had in owning 4 different fifth wheels

In conclusion , I will get the those Westlakes off ,and get me another set of Sailuns. Was hoping for some positive reviews of those Westlakes ,but it appears they are not that great . Although one mentioned they are not steel cased or whatever ,but they do have " All Steel Radial " on the sidwall

PSFORD99
04-04-2020, 10:05 AM
All steel tires have steel casings, meaning the carcass is built with steel cords vice polyester cords.

Read the material information on the tire sidewall to verify it's construction.

Lionshead is the OEM provider for Westlake tires. The information on the tire sidewall should match the information on their ST tire web site.


I believe you are misinformed " All Steel Radial " is stamped on the sidewall of those Westlakes .In your first post you said the tire in question is not steel cased ,that appears not true .Unless steel cased is something different then what you are referring too .

PSFORD99
04-04-2020, 10:17 AM
I also misspoke on these Westlakes they were not 235/85/16's, they are 235/80/16's 4080 lb rating @ 110 psi. Same as the Sailun 235/80/16. For some reason when told about them I thought they were 85's. Never the less the 235/85/16 Sailuns are going on the fifth wheel :)

pkbridges77
04-05-2020, 03:18 PM
PSFORD99, this forum taught me to pay close attention to tires. Our 2015 SOB came with Westlake Gs manufactured 8/14 and there were very few reviews. I took my chances, and got 25,000 before developing tiny sidewall cracking in summer 2017, so 3 years.

Since then, I have lost track in our owners forum of the number of Westlake failures. 2-3 years regardless of mileage seems to be the lifespan.

The company (also under Keystone now) changed to Westlake Hs two years ago, and now those are failing. They are no where close to the quality of a Sailun.

Typical failure is either a sudden blowout or tread loss, usually with accompanied siding damage. TPMS does no good because the failure is immediate without warning.

And read through those 5-star reviews on E-trailer. Most have to do with the quick service and price of E trailer. Only a few talk about any longevity of the tire.

Westlakes, and their new rebranded Goodrides, are ticking time bombs just like the old Marathons. You might be one of the few lucky ones.

PSFORD99
04-05-2020, 03:59 PM
PSFORD99, this forum taught me to pay close attention to tires. Our 2015 SOB came with Westlake Gs manufactured 8/14 and there were very few reviews. I took my chances, and got 25,000 before developing tiny sidewall cracking in summer 2017, so 3 years.

Since then, I have lost track in our owners forum of the number of Westlake failures. 2-3 years regardless of mileage seems to be the lifespan.

The company (also under Keystone now) changed to Westlake Hs two years ago, and now those are failing. They are no where close to the quality of a Sailun.

Typical failure is either a sudden blowout or tread loss, usually with accompanied siding damage. TPMS does no good because the failure is immediate without warning.

And read through those 5-star reviews on E-trailer. Most have to do with the quick service and price of E trailer. Only a few talk about any longevity of the tire.

Westlakes, and their new rebranded Goodrides, are ticking time bombs just like the old Marathons. You might be one of the few lucky ones.

Thanks, thats what I needed to hear, I was hoping maybe these were going to be a rival to the Sailuns, it seems not. they sure are copying Sailun in looks ,and weight ratings 4080 on the 80's and 4400 on the 85's

I have been running the Sailuns going on three years now on my recently sold fifth wheel, this new one as said has the Westlakes. I have a trip maybe this summer depends on our situation going on with the pandemic .Its our annual six week trip to Montana, although not a lot of miles , its only a 600 mile round trip . I'll keep them on for that trip, then get them off ,and get some new Sailuns.

They are already over a year old ,they came off a new 2020 , that was actually built last April is what I was told. The manufacturing date on the tires are "0719" , thats about the third week in Feb 2019. So this time next year they will be over two years old. If I go to Arizona next winter ,still a wait to see at this point , I will have new tires on

pkbridges77
04-05-2020, 05:05 PM
I could be a rep for Sailun, they have earned my trust by experience and evidence. I still canít find a documented failure of a Sailun tire - even in road hazard and spring failures, the tire seems to hold together. And millions of miles for many years now in real world use. And, some are made in China, Vietnam, Thailand and Canada. Doesnít seem to make a difference.

When it comes to our RV, I donít really care where they are made. I want them to be reliable and one less area of concern when traveling. Sailuns do that for us. 55,000 miles on our first set of Gs, upgraded to Hs at our rally last summer, and 11,000 miles on those now. Zero problems.

Goodyear has plenty of failures on the G614 Gs and G114 Hs, but so far they seem to be good about reimbursing for damage to the trailer. Since we are fulltime, I wanted to avoid the damage to begin with so chose Sailun.

And for anyone interested, the outside diameter of the S637 G is almost identical to the S637 H, so you donít have to worry about wheel spacing.

Safe travels!

PSFORD99
04-05-2020, 05:35 PM
I could be a rep for Sailun, they have earned my trust by experience and evidence. I still canít find a documented failure of a Sailun tire - even in road hazard and spring failures, the tire seems to hold together. And millions of miles for many years now in real world use. And, some are made in China, Vietnam, Thailand and Canada. Doesnít seem to make a difference.

When it comes to our RV, I donít really care where they are made. I want them to be reliable and one less area of concern when traveling. Sailuns do that for us. 55,000 miles on our first set of Gs, upgraded to Hs at our rally last summer, and 11,000 miles on those now. Zero problems.

Goodyear has plenty of failures on the G614 Gs and G114 Hs, but so far they seem to be good about reimbursing for damage to the trailer. Since we are fulltime, I wanted to avoid the damage to begin with so chose Sailun.

And for anyone interested, the outside diameter of the S637 G is almost identical to the S637 H, so you donít have to worry about wheel spacing.

Safe travels!


You apparently missed my post on this forum last year around this time . I lost a Sailun S637 ST 235/85/16 , I considered it a road hazard. Don't know for certain ,was not a blowout , if so I never heard anything, they are usually pretty loud with 110 psi . Air pressure was checked that morning . I left Las Vegas and was 20 miles outside Kingman ,Az had went about 80 miles when it went. Ya ,all tires are subject to failure of some sort .

Search back on this forum , I posted the failure with pictures .

pkbridges77
04-05-2020, 05:46 PM
You apparently missed my post on this forum last year around this time . I lost a Sailun S637 ST 235/85/16 , I considered it a road hazard. Don't know for certain ,was not a blowout , if so I never heard anything, they are usually pretty loud with 110 psi . Air pressure was checked that morning . I left Las Vegas and was 20 miles outside Kingman ,Az had went about 80 miles when it went. Ya ,all tires are subject to failure of some sort .

Search back on this forum , I posted the failure with pictures .

Actually, I do remember your post - didn't remember it was you. I followed your thread for quite some time thinking it may have been the first tire failure, but then remember I thought you had concluded it was probably a road hazard.

Should have been more clear in my statement - what I meant was a documented failure because of the tire, where there are many of those from Goodyear and other brands just through normal use and conscientious monitoring. That's what the Westlakes are doing - failing for no apparent reason.

Thanks for clarifying.

Paul

MikeRP
04-05-2020, 07:43 PM
So I’ve heard the bad about Westlakes and was concerned when they came on my fifth wheel. But they have been ran on Cedar Creeks for sometime.

Last year during the summer I took several trips one the Key Largo from Ohio. I’ve been very impressed with the tires. The pressures during the summers would rise to about 125 psi. The temperatures would run 99 to 100 degrees. Of course they would heat up more when I stopped at a rest area but as soon as I got back on the road they would cool back to normal. I have about 6000 miles on these tires.

There have been very good ratings on the g rated westlakes.

PSFORD99
04-05-2020, 08:05 PM
So Iíve heard the bad about Westlakes and was concerned when they came on my fifth wheel. But they have been ran on Cedar Creeks for sometime.

Last year during the summer I took several trips one the Key Largo from Ohio. Iíve been very impressed with the tires. The pressures during the summers would rise to about 125 psi. The temperatures would run 99 to 100 degrees. Of course they would heat up more when I stopped at a rest area but as soon as I got back on the road they would cool back to normal. I have about 6000 miles on these tires.

There have been very good ratings on the g rated westlakes.


I have found some reviews such as yourself, just wish they didn't have such a poor reputation overall. I think the G rated have not been around that long or am I mistaken, if not then they may prove out . I do know most reviews I read were about the E rate Westlake RV tires.

Even back when in 2007 when I bought my 2008 Montana fifth wheel, they had those terrible China made E rated ST tires, the advice back then was don't push them any longer then a couple years if that. I think I ran mine for about 18 months ,and got rid of them. I hope these Westlake G rated prove out better.

What size are those Westlakes on your Cedar Creek the 80's or 85's

CalandLinda
04-06-2020, 12:34 AM
I believe you are misinformed " All Steel Radial " is stamped on the sidewall of those Westlakes .In your first post you said the tire in question is not steel cased ,that appears not true .Unless steel cased is something different then what you are referring too .

The Westlake trailer tire web site does not describe the ST235/80R16H as being steel cased. That's why I said in an earlier post that you should read the materials listing on the actual sidewall to verify steel or polyester cording.

The following is the minimum description for a polyester tire. An all steel tire will have steel cording in it's sidewalls.

TREAD PLIES: 2 POLYESTER + 2 STEEL+1 POLYAMIDE
SIDEWALL PLIES: 2 POLYESTER

MikeRP
04-06-2020, 01:31 AM
I have found some reviews such as yourself, just wish they didn't have such a poor reputation overall. I think the G rated have not been around that long or am I mistaken, if not then they may prove out . I do know most reviews I read were about the E rate Westlake RV tires.

Even back when in 2007 when I bought my 2008 Montana fifth wheel, they had those terrible China made E rated ST tires, the advice back then was don't push them any longer then a couple years if that. I think I ran mine for about 18 months ,and got rid of them. I hope these Westlake G rated prove out better.

What size are those Westlakes on your Cedar Creek the 80's or 85's

They are the ST235/85R16’s. Sticker says all steel tubeless 14 ply. I don’t have a URL to show you a pic. I have several pictures of them when they were brand new.

You all might wonder why I’m on here. I was down between a Montana and a Cedar Creek. The folks on here were very helpful in late 2018 when I made the decision. I ended up with the Creek because the factory allowed me to substitute In a booth dinette and Montana wouldn’t at the time. Really a fluke. Pricing was almost identical. I still follow both forums. Hopefully we all can get some camping in this year.

Blessings to everyone!

CalandLinda
04-06-2020, 02:33 AM
I believe you are misinformed " All Steel Radial " is stamped on the sidewall of those Westlakes .In your first post you said the tire in question is not steel cased ,that appears not true .Unless steel cased is something different then what you are referring too .

The building materials listed on the tire sidewall will tell the story.

All steel 16" ST tires have a very similar tread pattern. It's another way to identify those steel cased tires.

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PSFORD99
04-06-2020, 08:36 AM
The building materials listed on the tire sidewall will tell the story.

All steel 16" ST tires have a very similar tread pattern. It's another way to identify those steel cased tires.

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Thanks for the picture ,yes the tire in question is a steel cased tire, and looks almost identical to your picture.

Its unfortunate there is not more experience with this G rated Westlake on this forum, With the exception of MikeRP I was hoping to see more favorable reports.
I guess its time to go see how the Heartland ,and Cedar creek forums are dealing with these Westlakes , it appears they are a stock tire .

I have time to get a clear picture before I get rid of them. The same went on with the Sailuns , until it was proven they were quality tire. My big question with these Westlakes is how long has the G rated tire been on the market. Its apparent Westlake has been around for awhile ,especially the E rated .

CalandLinda
04-06-2020, 12:26 PM
Thanks for the picture ,yes the tire in question is a steel cased tire, and looks almost identical to your picture.

Its unfortunate there is not more experience with this G rated Westlake on this forum, With the exception of MikeRP I was hoping to see more favorable reports.
I guess its time to go see how the Heartland ,and Cedar creek forums are dealing with these Westlakes , it appears they are a stock tire .

I have time to get a clear picture before I get rid of them. The same went on with the Sailuns , until it was proven they were quality tire. My big question with these Westlakes is how long has the G rated tire been on the market. Its apparent Westlake has been around for awhile ,especially the E rated .

Lionshead is the an OEM provider for Westlake tires.

http://lionsheadtireandwheel.com/Westlake-Radial-Tire

PSFORD99
04-06-2020, 01:50 PM
Lionshead is the an OEM provider for Westlake tires.

http://lionsheadtireandwheel.com/Westlake-Radial-Tire


I saw your reply on the other thread, not sure it makes much difference which thread , but you told me the tire in question is not steel cased . The link you provided above is pretty old , it does not have the current weight rating of the 235/80/16 or the 235/85/16.

I'll try one more time with you.

The Westlake tire in question Has on the sidewall ,and I will quote :

"ALL STEEL RADIAL" , not sure what all steel radial means , but there it is

In addition it also states on the sidewall , and I will quote :

Plies: "Tread Steel 4" "Sidewall steel 1"

This is the exact writing on the Sailun S637 ST 235/85/16 , and I assume it would be the same as the Sailun S637 ST 235/80/16, but I do not have that tire in FRONT of me to see ,but I do on the other two. Now if they are not steel cased , I do not care . The Westlake , and Sailun are constructed with identical steel plies. We do know the quality of the Sailun, should be NO argument there .

If you want to provide a current link on Westlake tires ,feel free too , but the above is all wrong with the current Westlake G rated tires .

pkbridges77
04-06-2020, 02:24 PM
I tried to copy/paste some of the pics of Westlake failures from our owner Facebook page with no success.

In two threads, I counted 11 different owners with Westlake failures, both G and H rated. No Eís. Damage to their rigs between $5,000 and $12,000, and in some cases the tire did not blow so never lost pressure. It just threw the tread.

Westlakes may be fine for a flatbed farm trailer, but if your rig is approaching 16,500 or heavier you are rolling the dice.

Since this thread is about Westlake tires, I really felt the need to get another side of the story out there besides the 5-star rating from E-Trailer. Thankfully, we all have choices.

jsb5717
04-06-2020, 02:27 PM
Has anyone taken a look at Alliance RV, Paradigm 5th Wheel? They are a fairly new manufacturer started by the original founder of Heartland RV. Their startup timing is screwed up by this virus but they are claiming to build their units from years of experience and customer feedback. They seem focused on building a nice, medium priced, well-built rig.

All that to say that, given their focus, I was surprised to see they they are using Westlake Tires. Maybe they know something we don't...

PSFORD99
04-06-2020, 02:39 PM
I tried to copy/paste some of the pics of Westlake failures from our owner Facebook page with no success.

In two threads, I counted 11 different owners with Westlake failures, both G and H rated. No Eís. Damage to their rigs between $5,000 and $12,000, and in some cases the tire did not blow so never lost pressure. It just threw the tread.

Westlakes may be fine for a flatbed farm trailer, but if your rig is approaching 16,500 or heavier you are rolling the dice.

Since this thread is about Westlake tires, I really felt the need to get another side of the story out there besides the 5-star rating from E-Trailer. Thankfully, we all have choices.

Thanks for the reply .I think I don't need to take the chance , although my fifth wheel is 15,500 GVWR , same as my previous one ,and it was loaded right at 13,500 . The dry weight on it was 11,800 which means nothing ,but a reference where the weight starts .

CalandLinda
04-06-2020, 06:47 PM
I saw your reply on the other thread, not sure it makes much difference which thread , but you told me the tire in question is not steel cased . The link you provided above is pretty old , it does not have the current weight rating of the 235/80/16 or the 235/85/16.

I'll try one more time with you.

The Westlake tire in question Has on the sidewall ,and I will quote :

"ALL STEEL RADIAL" , not sure what all steel radial means , but there it is

In addition it also states on the sidewall , and I will quote :

Plies: "Tread Steel 4" "Sidewall steel 1"

This is the exact writing on the Sailun S637 ST 235/85/16 , and I assume it would be the same as the Sailun S637 ST 235/80/16, but I do not have that tire in FRONT of me to see ,but I do on the other two. Now if they are not steel cased , I do not care . The Westlake , and Sailun are constructed with identical steel plies. We do know the quality of the Sailun, should be NO argument there .

If you want to provide a current link on Westlake tires ,feel free too , but the above is all wrong with the current Westlake G rated tires .

You know tire brochure information is much like your trailer's brochure, not official. If you had studied the Lionshead link I provided, you would see they describe the Westlake ST235/85R16 LRG with a load capacity of 4080# at 110 PSI, which we both know is an error.

All steel redial is a marketing term. But you have finally read a sidewall and saw that the sidewall construction for the "All steel radial" has steel cords vice some kind of fabric.

Lionshead has not updated their link to describe the Westlake 16" LRG tires as all steel. Because I knew Lionshead to be the primary OEM provider of the Westlake tires I was quoting information from their link. Westlake does not publish a ST tire data book so the only other place to verify the actual construction of their ST tires is from the individual sidewall.

This a tire condition to be aware of when using all steel radial tires. It's called a zipper rupture and is very dangerous.

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jeffba
04-06-2020, 06:50 PM
Has anyone taken a look at Alliance RV, Paradigm 5th Wheel? They are a fairly new manufacturer started by the original founder of Heartland RV. Their startup timing is screwed up by this virus but they are claiming to build their units from years of experience and customer feedback. They seem focused on building a nice, medium priced, well-built rig.

All that to say that, given their focus, I was surprised to see they they are using Westlake Tires. Maybe they know something we don't...

Heartland campers come with Westlakes. Maybe they are going with what they are used to using.

PSFORD99
04-06-2020, 08:06 PM
You know tire brochure information is much like your trailer's brochure, not official. If you had studied the Lionshead link I provided, you would see they describe the Westlake ST235/85R16 LRG with a load capacity of 4080# at 110 PSI, which we both know is an error.

All steel redial is a marketing term. But you have finally read a sidewall and saw that the sidewall construction for the "All steel radial" has steel cords vice some kind of fabric.

Lionshead has not updated their link to describe the Westlake 16" LRG tires as all steel. Because I knew Lionshead to be the primary OEM provider of the Westlake tires I was quoting information from their link. Westlake does not publish a ST tire data book so the only other place to verify the actual construction of their ST tires is from the individual sidewall.

This a tire condition to be aware of when using all steel radial tires. It's called a zipper rupture and is very dangerous.

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Well kind of confirms what I think of Goodyear that zipper rupture appears to be either a Goodyear G614 or 114. I will definitely stick to Sailun

CalandLinda
04-06-2020, 11:34 PM
All of the 15" & 16" all steel radial tires are good tires. Problem is, the first ones on the dance floor got all the accolades.

PSFORD99
04-07-2020, 08:44 AM
All of the 15" & 16" all steel radial tires are good tires. Problem is, the first ones on the dance floor got all the accolades.

It sure appears that way, yet a few favorable reports on Westlake, but we are creatures of habit.

I would like to know ,and I am sure you do on the Sailuns their manufacturing procedures or guidelines. I have read them before ,but can't seem to find them . J something. Curious to see if Westlake on their G rated follow those guidelines.

CaptnJohn
04-07-2020, 10:32 AM
All of the 15" & 16" all steel radial tires are good tires. Problem is, the first ones on the dance floor got all the accolades.

GY G614 was 1st and the best UNTIL Sailun came along. Why pay double for 2nd best?

Lenny K
04-07-2020, 10:36 AM
Reading all this bickering I thought I had logged into RV Net......lol

PSFORD99
04-07-2020, 10:51 AM
Reading all this bickering I thought I had logged into RV Net......lol


I see opinions, and different views , bickering not so much, hey!! its a tire thread :D

Fish
04-07-2020, 11:25 AM
I got Hercules on my way back from florida. Maybe you all could give sailun and Westlake a break and tell me what all is wrong with Hercules and why I'm a dumbass for buying them.

It'd break up the thread a little anyway.

PSFORD99
04-07-2020, 11:34 AM
I got Hercules on my way back from florida. Maybe you all could give sailun and Westlake a break and tell me what all is wrong with Hercules and why I'm a dumbass for buying them.

It'd break up the thread a little anyway.


My opinion as time goes on with these other brands such as Westlake ,and Hercules they are going to prove out pretty well . Time will tell. Every so often someone will get on these forums and say how well a tire has done . I have heard ,and seen more failures with the Goodyear then any other G rated that comes to mind. Of course a lot of them are sold .

It seems now the standard for quality is the Sailun, can't help thinking more are going to up their game. Its a big market out there .

CaptnJohn
04-07-2020, 11:41 AM
They may prove to be great. I don’t worry about tire cost I consider safety 1st. For that reason I use Pirelli on the SUV, Michelin on the truck, and Sailun on the 5er. I am going to consider Sailun on the truck when I change. Need more research but have a lot of time.

PSFORD99
04-07-2020, 11:54 AM
They may prove to be great. I donít worry about tire cost I consider safety 1st. For that reason I use Pirelli on the SUV, Michelin on the truck, and Sailun on the 5er. I am going to consider Sailun on the truck when I change. Need more research but have a lot of time.

If it helps , a good friend of mine ran a set of the Sailun Terramax on his Ford Supertduty 350. He full times, unfortunately he blew the motor, the 6.7 Powerstroke , instead of a new motor ,he traded it for a new one , and got what he could for it on a trade in . Anyway he said he liked the tire, he thought maybe it was wearing a little faster then some, but he never got to see how far they would of went.

Me personally.I think they are as good as any for a 5 rib AT tire. I am presently running the Toyo AT2's , not impressed in the least , I'm thinking 40K is about the best they will do. They are quiet ,wearing evenly, have been rotated every 5K , but cost nearly double that of the Sailun Terramax.

CaptnJohn
04-07-2020, 02:43 PM
Thanks. Iím sure they will be less than the Michelin I always put on. A more aggressive tread I donít really need but think they will be worth a try. Not into noisy tires either, maybe with 4 in the rear instead of 2 it will make a difference.


If it helps , a good friend of mine ran a set of the Sailun Terramax on his Ford Supertduty 350. He full times, unfortunately he blew the motor, the 6.7 Powerstroke , instead of a new motor ,he traded it for a new one , and got what he could for it on a trade in . Anyway he said he liked the tire, he thought maybe it was wearing a little faster then some, but he never got to see how far they would of went.

Me personally.I think they are as good as any for a 5 rib AT tire. I am presently running the Toyo AT2's , not impressed in the least , I'm thinking 40K is about the best they will do. They are quiet ,wearing evenly, have been rotated every 5K , but cost nearly double that of the Sailun Terramax.

Twopetes
04-07-2020, 04:53 PM
I may be a little late to the party, but I got rid of the west lakes and put a sailuns on. One sailun weighed more than 2 of the west lakes, and the west lakes were in good shape. To me it was just not worth the chance.. Sailuns NOW!

G & S Russell
04-07-2020, 07:52 PM
The tire body is called a casing. An all steel tire will have a steel casing. If we are going to talk about them letís get the terminology right.

G & S Russell
04-07-2020, 08:00 PM
They may prove to be great. I donít worry about tire cost I consider safety 1st. For that reason I use Pirelli on the SUV, Michelin on the truck, and Sailun on the 5er. I am going to consider Sailun on the truck when I change. Need more research but have a lot of time.

Donít put Sailuns on the truck. We had a saying that Sailun made a good tire, just not a round one. They were 17.5 tires we were putting on service box trucks but not on the big pickups, too many ride complaints. For the pickups or ride sensitive vehicles we put on Hankooks. Great riding tire at a reasonable price. Just my humble opinion after running a tire company for 47 years.

G & S Russell
04-07-2020, 08:01 PM
I may be a little late to the party, but I got rid of the west lakes and put a sailuns on. One sailun weighed more than 2 of the west lakes, and the west lakes were in good shape. To me it was just not worth the chance.. Sailuns NOW!

If they weighed half of a Sailun, they were not 14 ply all steel.

CaptnJohn
04-07-2020, 11:49 PM
Donít put Sailuns on the truck. We had a saying that Sailun made a good tire, just not a round one. They were 17.5 tires we were putting on service box trucks but not on the big pickups, too many ride complaints. For the pickups or ride sensitive vehicles we put on Hankooks. Great riding tire at a reasonable price. Just my humble opinion after running a tire company for 47 years.

Thank you and your experience is appreciated. I'll need 6 when time to change arrives, still open minded but Michelin is still top of the list.

jimcol
04-08-2020, 10:36 AM
Donít put Sailuns on the truck. We had a saying that Sailun made a good tire, just not a round one. They were 17.5 tires we were putting on service box trucks but not on the big pickups, too many ride complaints. For the pickups or ride sensitive vehicles we put on Hankooks. Great riding tire at a reasonable price. Just my humble opinion after running a tire company for 47 years.
Appreciate your experience and opinion. For other opinions, mine included, readers might want to view this thread: https://www.montanaowners.com/forums/showthread.php?t=80701&page=3

Mindful you will need to filter out all the other post that drifted off topic in the thread I referenced.

pkbridges77
04-08-2020, 03:53 PM
Had coffee at an appropriate social distance with a friend in the park this morning. He has a triple axle Solitude, came with Westlakes, mfg date 4617, so mid-Nov 2017. 2 1/2 years old and sidewall cracking on every one, tread wear looks great. Heís ordering Sailuns. Just another FYI.