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ExPatNW
02-26-2017, 04:53 PM
Will take delivery of a new Montana 3790RD in a few weeks. Super excited about it. Quick question. I want metal valve stems for my TPMS. Do they come with metal or will I need to get the dealer to fit them?
Thanks
Chris

DarMar
02-26-2017, 05:15 PM
Not sure about all Montanas, but we ordered out 2017 with the g614 option and we're pleasantly surprised to see metal valve stems when doing the PDI.

Simpson9508
02-26-2017, 05:15 PM
My 2017 3790 that we purchased last fall do not have metal valve stems.

Mr Pachu
02-26-2017, 05:25 PM
My 2015 3790RD came with metal valve stems and I noticed that the two Montanas at the local RV show had metal valve stems.

richfaa
02-26-2017, 05:46 PM
Our 2013 3402 Big sky with G614s did come with metal valve stems.

rames14
02-26-2017, 05:52 PM
I believe if you order the G614's, they do. Now that they come standard with the G series tires, I would bet they all do, since they are 110 psi tires.

Butch & Kathy
02-26-2017, 06:07 PM
My 2016 came with metal valve stems.

Golfmedik
02-26-2017, 07:02 PM
If the unit comes with G614s, then the valve stems will be metal. If it comes with "E" rated tires, then the valve stems will likely be rubber. Rubber valve stems are rated up to 80 psi which is max pressure for "E" rated tires. Anything above 80 psi has to have metal ones.

JABURKHOLDER
02-26-2017, 07:26 PM
If the unit comes with G614s, then the valve stems will be metal. If it comes with "E" rated tires, then the valve stems will likely be rubber. Rubber valve stems are rated up to 80 psi which is max pressure for "E" rated tires. Anything above 80 psi has to have metal ones.

Concur

ExPatNW
02-26-2017, 08:57 PM
Thanks everyone - I will check at PDI - but hoping I won't need to get them switched.

allmi01
02-28-2017, 11:46 AM
My 2017 3710 came with E rated china bombs. It did come with very good metal valve stems however.

I already replaced the tires with F rates Carlisle ST's. Wal0Mart had a good deal on a fresh ones.

Mike

Todd727
03-01-2017, 02:26 AM
My 3950 came with Sailuns and metal valve stems on all five wheels.

BiigDaddy
03-01-2017, 08:29 AM
My 2017 3710 came with Tow King garbage and metal stems. G614's going on tomorrow...

govslug
05-06-2017, 10:17 AM
2017 high country..305RL....metal valve stems....

mlh
05-06-2017, 10:54 AM
If your new Montana comes with E rated ST tires it would be very wise to replace them with a good G rated tire before you join the very long list of members here that have had one or more tire failures sometimes doing several thousand dollars damage to your beautiful new camper. They all thought if they kept the tires probably inflated and didn't run over 62 MPH or some other magic speed they would be all right only to wind up on the side of the road with a blown tire and damaged camper.
Lynwood

Fred S.
08-31-2017, 07:36 PM
Our 2017 3791RD has metal valve stems with E rated tires.

DQDick
08-31-2017, 07:48 PM
Our 2017 has Sailun's and metal stems.

Fred S.
08-31-2017, 08:14 PM
I should also add I just installed the new Goodyear Endurance tires with TPMS tire pressure & temperature monitoring.

Rondo
08-31-2017, 08:56 PM
Fred-- Did you say you have E rated tires on your new rig? Are you sure of that? I thought the new Montana's were coming out with G rated tires now!

CaptnJohn
08-31-2017, 11:04 PM
If thinking of new tires ~~

Fred S.
09-01-2017, 06:20 AM
Rondo...Our 3791RD is a year old now and it came with Trailer King E rated tires. for us G rated tires were a 1900.00 option. These tires lasted last winter to a trip to the west coast and back, but I never went over 63 MPH. Our tire size is ST 235/80R16. I just had installed 4 of the new Goodyear Endurance tires same size E rated but these have a much higher rated MPH. I was going to move up to tire size 85R16 but was told they were 2 inches bigger than the 80R's and I did not think the rear tire would clear the skirting.

CaptnJohn
09-01-2017, 07:43 AM
Sailun would have cost less than the Endurance. A much heavier tire as welll.

Former StClairSailor
09-01-2017, 11:10 AM
Rondo, our new 3950BR came with Sailun tires and metal valve stems. Great for the TPMS.

Fred-- Did you say you have E rated tires on your new rig? Are you sure of that? I thought the new Montana's were coming out with G rated tires now!

Fred S.
09-01-2017, 11:42 AM
If you blow E rated tires you are most likely overloaded. Or the tires are under inflated.

Chip
09-01-2017, 12:44 PM
Even these good quality metal bolt on valve stems can loosen up with use. So you still need a good tire pressure monitor to avoid a failure even on good equipment.

stengels
09-15-2017, 07:56 AM
Our 2018 3790 has Sailuns and metal valve stems.

BrightonBob
09-15-2017, 11:31 AM
I don't know about all models, but my TPMS came with sensors and stems as a unit.

CaptnJohn
09-15-2017, 01:59 PM
arrive with the same wheels and valve stems as the Montana. However, they come with LR E Rainier tires. Just 43 miles from the dealer to the tire shop to have Sailun 235/85/R16 LR G tires with 4400# capacity.

mhs4771
09-15-2017, 05:54 PM
Wise move Captian, we saw our good Friends go through all 4 Rainier tires on their Jayco several years ago on a Canidian Maritime trip.

CaptnJohn
09-15-2017, 06:28 PM
Wise move Captian, we saw our good Friends go through all 4 Rainier tires on their Jayco several years ago on a Canidian Maritime trip.

The tire shop owner said he would give $30 per Rainier so he bought them and I was happy. He said he would sell them to a farmer for a hay or tobacco trailer at cost and just charge for mounting.

mhs4771
09-15-2017, 07:13 PM
Like Marathons, they will probably give good service on the Farm, and that's where they belong, on slow moving vehicles.

CaptnJohn
09-15-2017, 08:28 PM
Like Marathons, they will probably give good service on the Farm, and that's where they belong, on slow moving vehicles.

It may take him a while to sell them. Most wagons have 15" wheels. He did the same when I bought tires when the Cougar was new. He gets most of the work the family needs so he may just be showing appreciation.

AZ Traveler
09-15-2017, 08:56 PM
Our 2018 3160 has Sailuns and metal valve stems.

Bruce0850
09-17-2017, 08:22 PM
2017 3820Fk came with Sailuns 637 and metal valve stems.

BuilderBob
09-17-2017, 08:47 PM
Metal stems here

coachgrowl
09-19-2017, 10:49 AM
Purchased Montana High Country 2017 310RE. Metal stems and Ranier tires. Dealer had them set at 60 psi. Moved them up to 80 psi. Told dealer about this and they were "sorry". Do I need to go to Saliums or can I drive for a while on the Raniers..Why is Keystone sending out rigs with tires that need to be replaced?

mhs4771
09-19-2017, 01:29 PM
Rainiers are about as good as Marathons. Friends went through all five tires (included spare) on a trip to the Canadian Maritime two years ago. Caught four of them before they exploded (broken belts and huge bubbles) the fifth exploded and just left the two side walls. That was on a 2015 Jayco that only had several thousand miles on it.

BuilderBob
09-19-2017, 02:03 PM
Are's came with metal stems but ares to came with under inflated tires I had to till the
dealer to up the air to 80Lb like the are poss to be I'm going to run the tires for a year
and then replace them. they should put better tires on them in the first place.

CaptnJohn
09-19-2017, 05:14 PM
HC comes with the Rainier for 2 reasons, cost and weight. I do not gamble. My tire dealer had ordered 235/85/R16 Sailuns for me and I drove 43 miles from the dealer to his shop. He gave me $30 for each Rainier. Some have good luck with them.

L0veless
10-10-2017, 08:59 AM
our 2016 3720RL came with 235/80/r16 "E" trailer kings and metal valve stems. we have around 5,000 miles on her now. last week upgraded to 235/85/R16 G614 "G" with TPMS. night and day difference in the look, the "E" always looked under inflated kept them at 80 PSI. taking her out tomorrow very interested in seeing how she tows with new shoes.

Carl n Susan
10-10-2017, 10:54 AM
<snip>...night and day difference in the look, the "E" always looked under inflated kept them at 80 PSI. taking her out tomorrow very interested in seeing how she tows with new shoes....
</snip>
The Trailer Kings looked under inflated because, at 80 PSI, they were. They are a 110 PSI tire. Be sure to inflate the new G614s to a value appropriate for your 3720's weight (I am guessing 105-110 PSI).

Texan
10-10-2017, 11:13 AM
i had the dealer install the sailun's with metal valve stems before i left the lot. I always inflate to 110 psi because of the weight and less friction on the road which means cooler tires. I've got over 15,000 miles on the tires now and they have taken out 2 wheels because of the rough roads. The tires are tougher than the wheels.I have the tire monitors on and was saved from a lot of expense and headache when the monitor alarm came on 200 miles after leaving the national rally last month. I've got 4 new hi-spec wheels ordered and they should be in today. While we all worry about the tires, the wheels are as much junk as the tires that come on these trailers.These factory wheels can't take the beating the sailun's can take.

Jon Susn
10-10-2017, 12:17 PM
Our 2017 3661RL came with Sailun's and metal stems.

Jon Susn
10-10-2017, 12:26 PM
there is a SOB 5er in the same lot as I keep my "Lady Bug" Montana 5er. Been there since beginning of summer. June 2017 I cam to storage lot and it had a blow out on drivers side and completely tore up the side of the camper and even the steps, looked like a lot of damage.
We just got back from a trip to Camp Hatteras in the NC OBX. Weather was awesome but anyway when I parked the "Lady Bug" in storage the same gateway was there (it is one camper over on the lot) and the Passenger side tire had blown and totally removed the fender, siding up about 12 inches, and tore all kinds of wires out from underneath the slideout. Went over and looked and he still has inferior tires on the unit. Has 2 Rainier tires that match and a 3rd some other brand and a 4th some other brand. 3 different tire brands and 2 blowouts already. :eek:
My research and input from other fine members of this forum tell me that the Sailuns are the best.
Wish my neighbor in the storage lot had a Gateway forum like this Montana Forum. ( I don't know who owns it).
Jon Susn

CaptnJohn
10-10-2017, 01:12 PM
The Trailer Kings looked under inflated because, at 80 PSI, they were. They are a 110 PSI tire. Be sure to inflate the new G614s to a value appropriate for your 3720's weight (I am guessing 105-110 PSI).

When I bought a Cougar it arrived with Trailer King LR E tires. Tires were rated at 80#. Email from wheel manufacturer stated the wheels were rated at 80# as well. Took a chance and put Carlisle LR F on immediately and filled to 90#. Added metal valve stems. Sold it and 2 year old tires still going great.

mlh
10-10-2017, 01:25 PM
For those new here that think you can get by with the OEM original ST tires by running some magic speed or inflation good luck with that. There have been many since I joined here in 2004 that thought that only to have a tire blow out and do thousands of dollars damage to their camper.
Keep reading this forum like I have and if you do not have a blowout you will realize you have been lucky.
Lynwood

CaptnJohn
10-10-2017, 01:43 PM
For those new here that think you can get by with the OEM original ST tires by running some magic speed or inflation good luck with that. There have been many since I joined here in 2004 that thought that only to have a tire blow out and do thousands of dollars damage to their camper.
Keep reading this forum like I have and if you do not have a blowout you will realize you have been lucky.
Lynwood

For that very reason my last two 5ers went straight from the dealer to the tire shop. On the Cougar the Trailer King LR E were replaced with Carlisle LR F and the Montana Rainier LR E were replaced with Sailun LR G.
Those that are lucky and post about 50,000 or 500 miles on oem tires are not helping newbies.

masterdrago
10-11-2017, 11:13 PM
I checked our nearby dealer a few days ago - looking at 3791RD & a GD 375RES-R. Both had metal stems - one had G614, the other Sailun. Both g-rated.

L0veless
10-12-2017, 04:09 PM
carl n susan

sorry to disagree with you but a 235/80/r16 "E" is to be inflated at 80 PSI.
that's what the tire states along with the sticker on the 5th , kind of like sticker on inside door on truck on truck tire size and inflation. also a lot of the trailer rims for "E" tires are not rated for 110 PSI. the tire installer pulled the tire to make sure rim was rated at 110 PSI. when I was struggling to decide if I wanted to spend 1500 for 5 tires I looked at a lot of rigs that were around our size that still had "E" on them. They also looked under inflated.
took the 5th out and there was definitely difference in towing for the positive now was that just in my mind or reality.
Don't know but I felt more comfortable towing her and that was worth the money.

CaptnJohn
10-12-2017, 07:12 PM
carl n susan

sorry to disagree with you but a 235/80/r16 "E" is to be inflated at 80 PSI.
that's what the tire states along with the sticker on the 5th , kind of like sticker on inside door on truck on truck tire size and inflation. also a lot of the trailer rims for "E" tires are not rated for 110 PSI. the tire installer pulled the tire to make sure rim was rated at 110 PSI. when I was struggling to decide if I wanted to spend 1500 for 5 tires I looked at a lot of rigs that were around our size that still had "E" on them. They also looked under inflated.
took the 5th out and there was definitely difference in towing for the positive now was that just in my mind or reality.
Don't know but I felt more comfortable towing her and that was worth the money.

Correct ~~ LR E are to be at 80 psi. $1500 for 5 tires of that size in LR G is a lot. Sailun LR G are 1/2 that in that size. I went with the 235/85 instead of 80. I know LR E are cheaper and weigh less than LR G, but HC should never have an LR E tire IMO.

Twopetes
10-12-2017, 08:04 PM
I think you were given some faulty info. My Sailun 85 series are only 1/2 inch larger per tire. My HC353 has plenty of space between the tires and the frame. Good tires

CaptnJohn
10-12-2017, 08:55 PM
I think you were given some faulty info. My Sailun 85 series are only 1/2 inch larger per tire. My HC353 has plenty of space between the tires and the frame. Good tires

Overall the 85 Sailun is .9" taller than the 80 Sailun. Taller still than the oem tires that came on my HC. Agree, plenty of space all around when mounted and installed. The oem wheels and valve stems are the same as those on the Montana that has 80 Sailun tires as standard. The dealer found the 85 at 3 1/2 months old and $10 each less than the 80. The 80 at 4080 would have been enough but the 85 at 4400# is way more than enough. So far they are fantastic and have not needed air adjustments at all.