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Tom - Shannon
09-02-2013, 05:03 AM
We are newbies and are in our 2nd week in our new 3402RL. We love it, however, we cannot get the movement out, meaning anytime we walk..we wiggle. We have the auto. 6 point level system. We purchased a tripod for the hitch (doesn't work). Talked with dealer and he recommended manually moving jacks to try and stabilize. Well hopefully I've come to the people that can really help.

Thank You,

Tom - Shannon

DQDick
09-02-2013, 05:45 AM
Call Lippert on Tuesday. Others here may know much more about this than I (mine has worked perfect since day one), but it sounds like the rig still has it's weight on the springs and tires even though the pistons are out. There is probably an adjustment to have it level and a little higher off the ground.

bigskyjimmy
09-02-2013, 07:32 AM
Yeah I'm with Dick on that one We have a 3402rl and it is pretty dang solid we can feel a "little " movement sometimes if we are playing on the Wii jumping around Or cheering on our Seahawks:)

richfaa
09-02-2013, 08:33 AM
Same here on the 13 32402 being very stable. Now as long as the wheels are on the ground there will be some give.

davidaf
09-02-2013, 09:31 AM
You said you are "newbies" have you experienced a 5th wheel without the leveling/stabilizing system? It's night and day. Maybe your expectations are too high? Unit will never be completely movement free. We spent the first night in our 3400 yesterday. Wife said the levelers made a huge difference over our other fiver w/ the old style stabilizers and pin tripod particularly with my 250lbs walking around.

maximo
09-02-2013, 10:02 AM
I am like several others have stated, 6 point leveling on my 3580RL Big Sky real solid from day one without having to make any changes. Most all the time the wheels are still on the ground but I have had wheels off the ground as much as 4 inches on a side a couple of times.

Frank

K0LCB
09-02-2013, 12:11 PM
I notice big difference when I chock the wheels, seems to take some of the wobble out

Recumbent
09-02-2013, 01:25 PM
Our Level Up takes almost all the weight off the wheels, probably the only weight is the wheels and springs themselves. It's not movement free like a stick house, but compared to our previous Monty with electric landing gear and stabilizer the Level Up has a much more solid feeling.

Neil.M
09-02-2013, 06:01 PM
We have the 4 point auto leveling system from Lippert on our new High Country. We are just about rock solid. Can feel a little movement when a large person (insert me here) comes up the entry steps. World of improvement over are last Monte with crank down rear jacks.

1retired06
09-03-2013, 02:22 AM
We do not have the auto level on ours, but find our unit very stable when set up.

bethandkevin
09-03-2013, 03:50 AM
Our 2013 3402RL is very stable when levelled. As davidaf stated, is it possible you're looking for "rock solid" when that can't ever be the case? Or there may be an actual problem. When I still worked at the GM dealership, if a customer concern seemed like it might be unrepairable, I always compared their vehicle with a like vehicle or even two from the lot. Take a drive to your dealer and compare your stability to another with 6 point levelling. That should cinch it for you.

WeBeFulltime
09-04-2013, 07:24 AM
I have found with our 6 point Lippert system that the Monty will be near rock solid if I put a board 2 x 10 x 12 under each foot instead of just letting them rest on dirt/concrete/blacktop.

Tom - Shannon
09-06-2013, 02:18 PM
Thank all of you for info. Been out of town so unable to reply until now. Will check back with dealer again as the movement is totally out of control. In the instructions there is a section "zero setting the control". Can anyone tell me what this is?

Thanks for all the help,

Tom-Shannon

DQDick
09-06-2013, 04:39 PM
Zero setting the control is how you set it for what level is to you. We found out early on with a free app we got and our Ipad that our rig isn't level from front to back and we had to choose where we wanted level to be. If you don't agree with the factory setting that's how you correct it.

Tom - Shannon
09-20-2013, 05:18 AM
Here is where we are at with our 3402RL RV sway/movement problem. We purchased from Pete's RV, Schererville, In. Per Pete's RV instructions, I took to RV dealer in southern Ind who while on the phone with Lippert ran Monty through every test possible. The dealers conclusion was they can do nothing to get the shaking out. They said the jacks are too small and give when Monty is raised, lowered, etc. I'm on my 3rd person at Pete's RV and he is going to talk with Keystone and see what can be done. We also have a popping sound and the RV shakes, Lippert is aware of this problem and has a fact sheet for dealers where taking 1 qt. of oil out of reservoir and adding 1 qt of a grade 15 oil (Torco REF Grade 15)will supposedly solve this problem. We are living fulltime in the RV and just starting out with our dream of workamping. All we want is our RV to be right. What a let down.

Tom - Shannon

bigskyjimmy
09-20-2013, 07:15 AM
That does not Jive with any person I know and have talked to with the 6 point, My friend has a SOB with the Lippert 6 point also and his is Rock solid too something is not right for sure,As far as the popping sound we are Fulltimers and ours did that for a few months then it just finally stopped doing it now it is as quiet as a mouse

DQDick
09-20-2013, 08:26 AM
Yup too many of us aren't having problems for yours to be a normal situation.

richfaa
09-20-2013, 05:28 PM
"They said the jacks are too small and give when Monty is raised, lowered, etc. ".... never heard of such a thing. They give..give where??? I can not imagine what is going on with your Montana. Perhaps you need to call Keystone customer service yourself. Did Lippert say the jacks are to small??? they are a Lippert system.. Something is very wrong here...You need to talk to Keystone yourself.

HOOK
09-21-2013, 02:50 AM
Always use chocks! Not only for safety, but to prevent movement. Chocks that go between the tires and brace one tire against the other work best. We always use them, even with our new Levelup. There is very little but some movement. Much better than our last Montana that did not have Levelup.

RickW
09-24-2013, 08:09 AM
We do notice a little movement in the back of the trailer in the living room area. SInce our level-up was a add on we still have the rear stabilizers. We have started using them more often and have found that takes what little wiggle is there away.

jcurtis934
10-03-2013, 04:39 AM
On our 2013 3800RE with the level up system, the unit is "pretty" stable. But I can feel a little movement, a jiggle, or whatever you wish to call it if I am lying in the bed and the wife is in the living area reading and moving about to the kitchen and back to her chair. We had "pops" that occured quite often during the first few months of ownership (bought end of aug 2012). All was quiet for a good 6 months, then have noticed the occasional pop when the outside temperature drops in the early evening. When I hear the pop, I also notice a slight wiggle or vibration in the fifth wheel. I wonder if anyone has ever checked the torque settings on the bolts that secure the rams to the frame in the six locations where the rams are attached??? I certainly haven't done this yet, but I will check to see what grade of bolt is used and then check the torque setting to make sure that they are in spec range for the grade of bolt used. Anyone else out there checked this on their rigs or witnessed a shop checking this? John

jcurtis934
10-08-2013, 11:29 AM
more on level up system - went to look at the hydraulic rams and noticed that I have a "mix" of grade 5 bolts and grade 8 bolts used to attach the rams to the frame. So now the question is what should they be? Guess it is time to contact Keystone and Lipperet to see what is suppossed to be used. And given that I have a mix, I can't trust that the nuts used are the correct grade either. Why me? My input to the rest of you is to look at your leveling rams to see what bolts were used! Grade 5 bolts have 3 lines radiating from 3 of the 6 points on the bolt head. Grade 8 have 6 lines, one from each point on the bolt head. And then the next question to Keystone/Lippert is what torque value was supposed to be applied to the bolts. John

jcurtis934
10-08-2013, 12:11 PM
Levelup system alert - If you have read my last two messages concerning the levelup system and my wondering about torque values, here is what I found so far. I sent a message to customer service at Keystone and am awaiting to see what I get back from them. I also went to Lippert's website and found at their customer servvice the following information: Grade 8 bolts/nuts of 1/2 20 thread count (fine threads) with a torque value of 90 foot pounds. I have a mix of Grade 5 and Grade 8 bolts and have no idea what nuts were used by Keystone when they attached the rams to the frame. Check yours to make sure they are Grade 8!!! John

Dutch and Di
10-08-2013, 04:00 PM
When we added the Big foot hydraulic leveling system it did add a degree of stability but we knew any leveling system is primarily that, a leveling system. We already had our permanently mounted stabilizers before the BF but found that for us we still needed stabilizers. They took care of our interior movement but we do love the ease of push button leveling so now we have our cake and are eating it too. Hugs, Di

jcurtis934
10-16-2013, 07:33 AM
Regarding flange bolts/flange nuts used to attach levelers to frame - Got a reply back from Keystone Customer Service that said that they had someone check with Lippert and the response from Lippert was that they had previously used grade 5 and standardized the process to use only grade 8...and a mix would be fine. Not the answer I expected, but at least it is on record if I have issues. John

richfaa
10-16-2013, 10:37 AM
Those things come from Lippert assembled keystone does not do it.

Carole
10-16-2013, 04:34 PM
We don't have the 6 point level system on our 2013 358 rlt Mountaineer and we hardly notice any shaking or wiggle at all in our Monty, and no popping sounds. Much better than our 2004 Sunnybrook. So glad it's so stable cause we can take a lot of trips for what the level system costs.

jlb27537
11-13-2013, 07:57 AM
quote:Originally posted by Tom - Shannon

Here is where we are at with our 3402RL RV sway/movement problem. We purchased from Pete's RV, Schererville, In. Per Pete's RV instructions, I took to RV dealer in southern Ind who while on the phone with Lippert ran Monty through every test possible. The dealers conclusion was they can do nothing to get the shaking out. They said the jacks are too small and give when Monty is raised, lowered, etc. I'm on my 3rd person at Pete's RV and he is going to talk with Keystone and see what can be done. We also have a popping sound and the RV shakes, Lippert is aware of this problem and has a fact sheet for dealers where taking 1 qt. of oil out of reservoir and adding 1 qt of a grade 15 oil (Torco REF Grade 15)will supposedly solve this problem. We are living fulltime in the RV and just starting out with our dream of workamping. All we want is our RV to be right. What a let down.

Tom - Shannon


Hi Tom, Welcome to the world of Fulltimming.

We have a '14 3150RL with the 6 pt jacks. We have a front closet with a Splendide in it. It will shake the trailer at times on spin. When I'm in bed and the wife is still up, I can feel her walking around sometimes. The popping occurred in ours the first few months. We were in Colorado and had large temp swings. At night you could feel the front drop, abet probably only 1/8" but was kinda scary.

We have the bulletin about the 3 different fluid additives, I was going to go with the CAT one, but it is no longer doing it, so I relate it to maybe just the temp swings or air in the system.

My take on the jacks are they are designed to "level" the rig. Which they do. They are not designed to make it not move.

I really think you are expecting something that is just not possible. A house on wheels that does not move. The tripod, mated to the pin, will not work cause the pin is mounted on rubber and it is designed to move. So, yes that is a waste of effort.

Please accept the fact it moves some and go on and find something enjoyable to do. Like watch the guy that comes in with electric front jacks, hand crank rear stabilizers, watch him get his boards out and drive on them a couple times, remembering you just push a button and in a matter of seconds you are done.

We fulltimmed for almost 10 years, workcamped for 4, the best time of our lives. I do hope you enjoy it as much as we did. Now just 3/4 time.

Jim

richfaa
11-13-2013, 10:05 AM
We had the OEM jack system on out 06 3400.We did have the JT stabilizers that helped some. This 13 3402 Big sky is far more stable with the 6 point level up system. The first time the Splendide went on spin we noticed the difference.