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gpats
01-27-2008, 11:41 AM
I am wondering if anyone out there uses Break-Up Plus in their waste water tanks ??? I have been using it for about three years (I am mostly a weekender) and it does a very good job of breaking up waste in the black water tank--it also has a very pleasant smell-- I am including their web site and I have no dealings with the company except to purchase their product.
www.conservationchemistry.com

Icehouse
01-27-2008, 11:45 AM
I've never heard of them. Thanks for the link. I need to check it out. When we lived in the lower 48, we'd place our order from Camping World for all the necessary goodies. Bernie went to place an order at Camping World the other day for toilet paper, black tank chems, laundry detergent. Nothing fancy. Shipping to Alaska was $63.00. Just for shipping. I am determined to get around the shipping prices. I've done it on other things for several years we've been here, and I will succeed again! Thanks for the information, I'm gonna go check them out!
Tammy

ols1932
01-27-2008, 12:05 PM
quote:Originally posted by Icehouse

I've never heard of them. Thanks for the link. I need to check it out. When we lived in the lower 48, we'd place our order from Camping World for all the necessary goodies. Bernie went to place an order at Camping World the other day for toilet paper, black tank chems, laundry detergent. Nothing fancy. Shipping to Alaska was $63.00. Just for shipping. I am determined to get around the shipping prices. I've done it on other things for several years we've been here, and I will succeed again! Thanks for the information, I'm gonna go check them out!
Tammy

Tammy,
There's no need to purchase the toilet paper from Camping World. We've used Angel Soft 2-ply for over seven years of full timing with no problems. You can tell whether a toilet paper will work in your black water tank by taking a sheet and putting it in a glass of water. If it breaks up when you swish it around, it's good for the black water tank. That'll save you some shipping charges.

Orv

Icehouse
01-27-2008, 12:09 PM
Awesome! I'm an Angel Soft fan. I just added it to my Walmart list! Thanks Ols. Now, if Walmart in Alaska just had their RV goodies out year round, I'd be set. Looks like in the summer time when the shelves are full, I'll stock up on everything!

nailbender
01-27-2008, 12:19 PM
Any toilet paper that is marked "septic tank safe" will work in RV's. I have also tested RV paper and septic tank safe paper as Orv suggested, and could not see any difference between the two. We usually buy ours from Costco, much cheaper.

Waynem
01-27-2008, 03:32 PM
Be very careful of labels purporting to be safe for septic systems.

A search for septic toilet paper will yield many results.

This is one of them (http://www.laundry-alternative.com/toilet_paper_septic_tank.htm)

The water test mentioned above seems to be a good test.

jjackflash
01-27-2008, 04:37 PM
quote:Originally posted by nailbender

Any toilet paper that is marked "septic tank safe" will work in RV's. I have also tested RV paper and septic tank safe paper as Orv suggested, and could not see any difference between the two. We usually buy ours from Costco, much cheaper.

Don,what brand do you purchase from Costco?
Jack

PowellsMonty
01-28-2008, 05:48 AM
Angel Soft also.

nailbender
01-28-2008, 01:08 PM
Jack, We get Costco's Kirkland brand. The label says "suitable for all normal sewer and septic systems".

gpats
01-28-2008, 01:35 PM
I intended to gleen some info from this post concerning waste water treatments and who is using what I use or other ideas and opinions about the subject but it looks like this post turned into a chat session on toilet paper. I see this happen a lot on the forum and I wish that everyone would stick to the subject posted. Maybe I don't understand the concept so I think I will fall back to the silent majority and just read the posts that interest me.

jjackflash
01-28-2008, 01:41 PM
quote:Originally posted by nailbender

Jack, We get Costco's Kirkland brand. The label says "suitable for all normal sewer and septic systems".

Thanks nailbender,Iam always looking for something to buy at Cosco's.LOL

exav8tr
01-28-2008, 02:30 PM
gpats, I agree with your last statement about off topic. I have started using a product called "happy campers" you c an find info on www.1-happycampers.com. Hope this might help some. We have just started using it this week. It is bacteria based instead of enzyme based. We will see over the next few months if it works bettr or worse.

WEB SITE: www.1-happycamper.com

Sorry about that!

Rondo
01-28-2008, 05:40 PM
Phil-- keep us informed on the results of your test on the new product! I'd be interested in what you come up with! Also your www.-- site would not open. Did you leave something out?

jjackflash
01-28-2008, 06:16 PM
quote:Originally posted by Rondo

Phil-- keep us informed on the results of your test on the new product! I'd be interested in what you come up with! Also your www.-- site would not open. Did you leave something out?

Here ya Go Ron!
http://www.5starhappycamper.com/index.html

DHenry
01-29-2008, 04:19 AM
I have been using Pure Power for the last two years and it it a Bacteria-Enzyme based product. It has been doing a great job for me and you only use 2 oz. per 40 gallons.

www.opproducts.com

Mrs. CountryGuy
01-29-2008, 01:10 PM
OK, question enzyme/chemical users:

If you are sitting on a full hookup site, how long is it before you need to dump your black tank?? If less than 4 days, does that really give these enzymes/chemicals a chance to work/brew??

Our experience has been that unless we are sitting in a boondocking situation, or in a campground that does not offer full hookups where we will be for 1 to 2 weeks, that we are just wasting chemicals/money/enviornment/etc if we use any chemicals.

Simplified: 4 days or less, why bother with chemicals/enzymes?? Actually, even less than 7 days, why??

Gotta say, again, our experience has been, More water, Less paper, and a bit of Calgon, except in extreme heat, when we have no access to a dump, has worked fine for us for over 20 years, and not once have we had a toilet plugged.

I am not closed minded on this, so, educate me please.

Waynem
01-29-2008, 02:29 PM
Today when I picked up Hanna from the RV hospital, I talked with the lead technician. He said to use Cascade Liquid. Just a couple cap fulls in about a 1/3 to 1/2 tank of water. Run on down the road 50+ miles or until you get to your next CG, then empty. It will clean the tank (grey or black) Be careful of soapy products as the suds could get you in trouble if you over do it.

Mrs. CountryGuy
01-30-2008, 04:51 AM
Wayne,

Gotta say, never heard of using Cascade before, but, seems logical that it would work.

However, I gotta say that Al and I are very reluctant to pull Tana with that much water in any of the waste or fresh water tanks. After the number of reports here on MOC of tanks leaking, etc. We have decided we would like to postpone any repair/replacement of tanks by running with as little in there as possible. Personal choice, eh???

Parrothead
01-31-2008, 03:32 AM
gpats,
I don't think this really got off topic when discussing TP. I believe, (MHO) that what everyone was saying is regardless of the chemical or no chemical in use, the health of your black tank depends on the amount of water used and the brand of TP. We have also found that companies "improve" the TP and sometimes change it for the worst instead of best and we have to change brands.
Happy trails...........................

richfaa
02-03-2008, 11:27 AM
I agree with Sue 100%..Water, Water, Water and more water.. Here in our winter site(in Florida) we dump our black and shower tanks every two days. the galley tank when in comes up through the sink drain. We use NO chemicals of any kind. When we do use a chemical it is the Enzyme based products. Carol the products like Rid-X designed for home septic system will not work short time because they are not designed to. The Enzyme products designed for Rv's are very fast acting and do work.we will use the enzyme product when we can leave the tanks full for like several hours for a really good flush and clean.Also the calgon or actually any like product will help as it makes the tanks slippery..we use it in all tanks. The slosh soap, any brand, in the tanks for a short trip also help. You do not need much, just a few gallons. Also be very aware of the TP and do use the dissolve in water test no matter what the label says. For the black tank water is the most important element.It is hard to do at times because of boondocking ect...but it is the most important element. This is s good learning thread.

stiles watson
02-03-2008, 01:35 PM
gpats,

I think you have done a good job of telling us that we haven't met your need for information and calling on posters to return to your request. Please don't disappear. We need people to tell us what they need and prod us toward answering a very specific question like you have put forth.

I can offer no information because I know nothing about the brand you mentioned. I think any of us can share with the rest of us that we are not answering a request. It is not unkind nor unfriendly to tell others that you need input other than what is offered. It happens between couples all the time and if we consider this a family, no one should become offended it you do so.

richfaa
02-03-2008, 03:46 PM
Re Breakup plus
It is offered in original UNSCENTED or in Baby Powder SCENTED fragrance.
Break-Up Plus is a synergistic blend of non-toxic biodegradable ingredients combined to provide the fastest and most effective liquefying and deodorizing " The marketing does a very good job in describing what is not in it but does not specify what is in it. What are these... blend of non-toxic ingredents???

Synergism, in general, may be defined as two or more agents working together to produce a result not obtainable by any of the agents independently. The product sounds interesting but I would like to know what it contains and have been unable to find out???

jretz
02-03-2008, 03:57 PM
As Phil does, I use Happycamper. I have been using it about 2 years, in both my motorhome and now the Montana. It has worked great for me. I usually dump the black tank about every week or two, letting the solids brake up before dumping.

dandt
02-04-2008, 03:23 AM
We also use Happy Camper which is an enzyme based product. Used in our MH and now the Montana. Have found that ample amounts of water are also a key factor. We seem to dump about every 6-8 days and don't have odor problems. Also when dumping we send plenty of time flushing and running saniflush system to keep tank as clean possible.

exav8tr
02-04-2008, 05:41 AM
dandt, Hate to disagree but Happy Camper is not an enzyme based product. "It is a combination of nine trace elements and two heavy elements that make up a highly concentrated blend of minerals and micronutrients. In layman terms, it is the good bacteria doing away with the bad bacteria that causes odors and accelerates the natural decomposition of the waste material." This was taken directly from Happy Camper brochure. We have only used it a couple of times, but I have noticed that there are no longer any odors when flushing the toilet. I guess only time will tell the effectiveness of bacteria based products over enzyme based.

diamondg
04-06-2008, 08:20 AM
We use RV-Trine which is an enzyme based product for our black tank. When we were on the road full time in another brand of RV, we had a lot of problems with the black tank when we would stay over 30 days. We didn't have the tank flush system and tried to do it manually, but toilet paper would clog up around the mouth of the tank. Had to be suctioned a couple of times. We asked around and everyone in the park where we were mentioned that they were careful to use an enzyme based product. So we purchased it, and had no more problems. We ended up spending 11 months at one park due to family illness, and I learned using this waste digesting product it didn't matter particularly what brand of toilet paper I used, as long as it was septic tank friendly. Here a an excerpt from the product label.
Description
" Fast-acting, all-natural enzyme formula eliminates odors, cleans probes, lubricates valves and breaks down waste. Non-poisonous, non-staining, formaldehyde-free. Super concentrated. 48 oz. bottle with measuring chamber. 24 treatments."
It is a little more costly than some products at $26 for a 48 ounce bottle, but that's far cheaper than calling a "honey truck" and the peace of mind is worth every penny. With the Montana and the flush system, this is a super plus. Hope this helps.

toolmanroy
04-07-2008, 07:52 AM
We have been using Happy Camper since it first came out and would not use anything else.

We also wash our dishes in a dish pan and carry the water up to the toilet to add a little extra water to the black tank.

rlwhit
04-15-2008, 08:45 AM
Phil, we have been using Happy Camper for over 3 years. Toolmanroy told us about it. It is great. Everything comes out liquid and no bad smells.

8.1al
04-15-2008, 02:38 PM
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Water and have no odor problems. We are also careful to use a paper that will pass the water in a glass test. We have used many of the additives in the past and have found that we just have no need for them. Keep in mind that this has been our home for the last 4 years and for part timers a differnt solution may be needed

dejama
09-18-2008, 05:47 PM
I am new on this subject but here it goes with my problem. I have been having lots of odor inside the bath area when my valve is open to dump. Really bad if I flush at that time. My sewer vent is between the 2 bathroom vents so I think that might be part of the trouble BUT my dad was here and thought he was repluming the washer into the gray...but in reality he cut the sewer vent...we have replummed the sewer vent back in...see what anybody out there thinks. I do not remember it smelling this bad before the mistake.

ols1932
09-19-2008, 06:08 AM
When we dump, we always run the fan in the bathroom. We replaced that OEM fan with a Fantastic Fan and when that fan is on, no odor in the bathroom while dumping. Also, when "using" the bathroom, with the Fantastic Fan on, there is no lingering odor. Just thought I'd add that.

Orv

jjackflash
09-19-2008, 07:49 AM
quote:Originally posted by ols1932

When we dump, we always run the fan in the bathroom. We replaced that OEM fan with a Fantastic Fan and when that fan is on, no odor in the bathroom while dumping. Also, when "using" the bathroom, with the Fantastic Fan on, there is no lingering odor. Just thought I'd add that.

Orv



Orv,does the Fantastic Fan bring in fresh air or does it exhaust room air?
Jack

ols1932
09-19-2008, 08:55 AM
quote:Originally posted by jjackflash

quote:Originally posted by ols1932

When we dump, we always run the fan in the bathroom. We replaced that OEM fan with a Fantastic Fan and when that fan is on, no odor in the bathroom while dumping. Also, when "using" the bathroom, with the Fantastic Fan on, there is no lingering odor. Just thought I'd add that.
Orv

Orv,does the Fantastic Fan bring in fresh air or does it exhaust room air?
Jack

Jack, it has a switch that allows air to be brought in or exhausted. We have ours set to exhaust the air. When in the bathroom with the door closed and the fan running, you feel a great rush of air coming into the bathroom under the door. These fans are the best at moving air that I've ever seen. We also have one in the living room and one in the bedroom.
Orv

jjackflash
09-19-2008, 09:23 AM
Thanks Orv!
Jack

ols1932
09-19-2008, 03:39 PM
You're welcome Jack!
Orv

Art-n-Marge
05-13-2009, 02:05 PM
Regardless of the label on the paper, an empirical test like what Orv described is what I heard works best. There have been too many completely legal labels that don't support the product that is labeled. For example, most TP is biodegradable, but did you know that some biodegrade in months and others in decades and some never biodegrade if buried? That's why backpackers, in most places in California, are now requiring you to "pack it out", no matter what the label says, ugh! I don't backpack near as often as I used to because of this cuz I can't see carrying these black bags around for a week, double ugh.

I have used Orv's test and we use Angel Soft, too. The CW offering is VERY expensive per sheet and the other brand we used was Scot, but fine grit sandpaper is more comfortable. I haven't tried any other. But some of you stated prior your success and might wanna post the brand/model name so we can look for it in our particular region if others mentioned aren't available.

Art-n-Marge
05-13-2009, 02:14 PM
I forgot to mention about the chemicals. I use some storebrand, safe-for-everything, formaldehyde-free popular branded deodorizer/cleaner.

However, some time ago before joining the MOC I read of a person who came up with a VERY good solution of chemicals that ended up being a very safe, effective, bio-safe product you could make at home. Unfortunately, I was not in a place to check this out and now I can't remember a stitch about it. If I ever find it again I will use it and post the results.

If anyone knows what I am talking about it was in an RV mag of some kind and the inventor's specialty was cleaning black and grey tanks so well that sensors would work correctly again and the claim was you could use fresh water in them (I wouldn't, just the thought, yech), and by using his solution that you made yourself, would prevent further build up and problems.

Stay tuned,

sailer
05-13-2009, 04:17 PM
I use pine sole in the black tank as sugested by the repair crew at keystone , they say its the cheep est as you get it at a dollar store and it is slipery and kills oder,, what else do you want,,,sailer