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Old 04-14-2017, 05:34 PM   #21
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Grzly,

How do I post a separate picture here? I have a picture I took of the Alley Dock test site. Plus you can use Google Maps and zoom all the way in, and use their feet scale and a ruler to see what your actual test site measures.

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Old 04-14-2017, 06:27 PM   #22
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This is the diagram I drew of the West Sacramento test facility. I had to surreptitiously measure it (tape measure v. pacing it off) but is is real close. Much of this was beat to death in THIS posting.

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Old 04-14-2017, 06:39 PM   #23
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If you look at a semi trailer the trailer wheels are a lot closer to the rear of the trailer than on a fiver. That hangover on the fiver is the problem. WE ARE NOT BACKING INTO A DOCK. We are backing in the a camp site. Jeezz Ca grab a glove and get into the game. The further the distance between the pin and the center of the trailer wheels the easer the backing.

Or better said try backing a 12 foot tent trailer, then a 40 foot fiver. The longer the trailer the slower things happen. The small tent trailer goes every which way but start. But the 40 foot fiver kinds of glides back. Just think how easy it is with a 53 foot trailer. This test is a typical CA nonrational mess. I may own a business in CA but I am darn glad I live in AZ. Just my two cents.
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Old 04-14-2017, 07:22 PM   #24
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I just measured today, and I have 14 feet behind the CL of the rear wheels, so unless I am backing straight in, I am going to break the plane of those stupid side lines!! Typical Government bureaucracy, they don't have a clue to the real world.
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Old 04-15-2017, 08:34 PM   #25
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Carl, thanks for repeating the diagram. I have been practicing with a 11' lane, so I should be OK. I still don't understand the purpose of the red line 10' out, though. Can you explain?
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As I understood from the earlier discussions and my visit to DMV, that red line represents the wall of the dock. Theoretically you can hang out over the area from the edge of the lane to the red line when backing in. But hopefully Steve Schempp will provide real world experience/answer based on his recent testing.
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Old 04-16-2017, 06:39 AM   #27
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Your truck or 5th wheel can not go past any part of that red line that goes all the way to the 90' line, or the 90' line when maneuvering to get into the actual alley dock lines.
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Old 04-16-2017, 10:11 AM   #28
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I do not recall much or any discussion about the various lines other then I could not cross them and needed to be close. They did allow me to get out and check spacing. My rig also has a back up camera which was rather helpful. Good luck.
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Old 04-19-2017, 03:49 PM   #29
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Grzly03, How did you do? :-)
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It is accurate to say I didn't fail. But only because I had to cancel the test Monday morning. I blew the back window out of my truck Sunday, and knew I could not get this special order window in in time, so had to cancel. Will reschedule when window is fixed. Can take up to two weeks to get it special order from Ford vendor.

Oh, how did I blow it out? 5er bite! Stupid, stupid, stupid!!
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Old 04-20-2017, 07:17 AM   #31
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Ouch!! You must not have a long bed? Also, check your lug nuts, with all of that practicing, you are putting a lot of torque on the tires since they bend when doing tight maneuvering unlike car tires, and that translates to stress on the lug nuts. At least you get to practice more. I had no idea what the lay out was for the alley dock, and the class A truck driver that lives near me had me practicing with a 18 foot wide and no lines to cross, just two cones that I could see and get around. I probably failed on every attempt without knowing it, because as I backed around the first cone, I'm sure my rear end that sticks out 14 feet on the other side was crossing the magic barrier I knew nothing about! So keep at it, and we will have a toast and drink to your honor!!
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I do not have a long bed, but the Anderson Ultimate hitch block has an 8" offset to the rear. I had done the same thing (I thought) 17 times before. Carelessness on my part, had it cocked around too far. Clearance while backing is less than clearance going forward, I found.
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Old 04-22-2017, 02:22 PM   #33
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Looking at the diagram Carl posted, what is the issue? Having spent many years hauling wood chips in 48-53' trailers, one tip I can give is once you're lined up and start backwards, only use ONE mirror. A quick check in the other is OK but do your driving from one. It will stop the back and forth turning of the wheel.

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Just got my non commercial class A in MD,was told it is a fed law that all lanes are 12',Backing up and cross lane backing up.
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Does this law have any affect on residents of other states traveling to CA?
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No you are bound by the laws of your home state.
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Oh and one more thing. The California highway patrol will not mess with you as long as you're not doing stupid things. But be careful around Sacramento that is where the California highway patrol Academy is lots of new officers trying out their wings.
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In CA, to tow a 5th wheel with a GVWR (not actual weight) between 10 and 15K you need the "41 restriction" endorsement (the written test).
Over 15K you need the non-commercial class A license which includes the driving/parking test.

I am pretty sure your 3100 has a GVWR of less than 15K and you are good to go.
What is the "41 restriction" endorsement. Please show me on the DMV website.

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From dmv.ca.gov

A noncommercial driver license is issued in the following two classes:

Noncommercial Class A
Noncommercial Class B
A Noncommercial Class A license is required if you tow:

a travel trailer weighing over 10,000 lbs. Gross Vehicle Weight Rating (GVWR) which is not used for hire.
a fifth-wheel travel trailer weighting over 15,000 lbs. GVWR which is not used for hire.
a livestock trailer that is not for hire, weight over 10,000 lbs. GVWR but not over 15,000 lbs. GVWR, and is operated within 150 miles of the farm by a farmer to transport livestock.
A Noncommercial Class B license and endorsement is required if you operate:

A housecar over 40 feet but not over 45 feet.

Exemptions: Holders of a commercial Class A or B license, a noncommercial Class A license, and all fire fighter license classes.
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Wayne,

My son is a CHP officer in Cali, and he told me exactly what you say about doing stupid things, but you don't need to worry about the laws being tougher in Sacramento, because as soon as they graduate from the grueling, Marine intense, 6 month boot camp, they are assigned instantly to go all over the state. They then train for another month with a seasoned officer, before they are on their own. So Sacto is not a scary place.
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What is the "41 restriction" endorsement. Please show me on the DMV website.

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From dmv.ca.gov

A noncommercial driver license is issued in the following two classes:

Noncommercial Class A
Noncommercial Class B
A Noncommercial Class A license is required if you tow:

a travel trailer weighing over 10,000 lbs. Gross Vehicle Weight Rating (GVWR) which is not used for hire.
a fifth-wheel travel trailer weighting over 15,000 lbs. GVWR which is not used for hire.
a livestock trailer that is not for hire, weight over 10,000 lbs. GVWR but not over 15,000 lbs. GVWR, and is operated within 150 miles of the farm by a farmer to transport livestock.
A Noncommercial Class B license and endorsement is required if you operate:

A housecar over 40 feet but not over 45 feet.

Exemptions: Holders of a commercial Class A or B license, a noncommercial Class A license, and all fire fighter license classes.
I know I have cited the references for CA's RV licensing previously, but here is the answer to your specific query. Obtain a copy of the CA DMV's "Recreational Vehicles and. Trailers Handbook" (Clicky) and read page 12. The "Endorsement" will show up on your new drivers license as a "41 Restriction". It must be some type of government speak.

After the reading the manual you will likely know more about the test requirements than the DMV clerk when you apply.

Here is a snip of the applicable information. I apologize in advance for the width of the image. The source picture is much narrower, but when uploaded its width exploded, I have no idea why or how to correct it.

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