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Old 09-21-2016, 03:27 AM   #1
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End Cap optional?

I was out looking at new Montanas this past weekend and discovered that the rear end cap is now part of an upgrade pkg. This basically makes it the same as the Cougar. I thought "Montana" was the upgrade.
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Old 09-21-2016, 03:38 AM   #2
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Montana has forgot who they are. If Montana don't know who they are their customers will never figure it out and they will pay a heavy price for that. Do you remember when Cadillac forgot who they were? They rebranded Chevrolets and called them Cadillacs. They cheapened their name and they are still paying for that. Montana is traveling down the same road.
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Old 09-21-2016, 04:40 AM   #3
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To me, the molded caps helped identify the Montana brand. Since they have went with the flat end cap unless it was ordered optional, they look just like all the other cookie cutter RVs out there.
Just another way for the company to help milk extra dollars from the buyers.
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Old 09-21-2016, 05:36 AM   #4
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Flat back montana, aka mountaineer, not so good chinese tires, assembly glitches, less than stellar holding tanks, et al are recoverable deviations on a well known brand. Why does the corporate world think numbers are the savior of business instead of well built product... john
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Old 09-21-2016, 05:46 AM   #5
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I was out looking at new Montanas this past weekend and discovered that the rear end cap is now part of an upgrade pkg. This basically makes it the same as the Cougar. I thought "Montana" was the upgrade.
Molded cap is part of the legacy package upgrade. Marketing tool for reaching into your wallet a little deeper
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Old 09-21-2016, 05:59 AM   #6
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I was out looking at new Montanas this past weekend and discovered that the rear end cap is now part of an upgrade pkg. This basically makes it the same as the Cougar. I thought "Montana" was the upgrade.
Molded cap is part of the legacy package upgrade. Marketing tool for reaching into your wallet a little deeper
I thought "Montana" was the upgrade.
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Old 09-21-2016, 06:54 AM   #7
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Cougar and Montana lines not comparable. For years, there was the mountaineer, upgrades turned it into a Montana, upgrades to the Montana turned it into a big sky. Keystone has changed the line, bringing in the high country, mountaineer, Montana and Montana legacy. Now the mountaineer has disappeared from their webpage although you still see them on dealer lots. Confusing.
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Old 09-21-2016, 07:42 AM   #8
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Note...not even with the Legacy upgrade does every model get the end cap upgrade. Our 3791RD, for example,.....Legacy upgrade but no end cap.

Check the specs...there are exceptions.
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Old 09-21-2016, 07:49 AM   #9
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Comparing a NON Legacy Montana to a Cougar is pretty off, It is really not that confusing really the NON legacy Monty is just the old Moutaineer and still a nice step up from a Cougar like it always has been and the Legacy PKG in now the top op the line Monty like the 2015 1/2 and older with the rear cap(on most models) Mor-ryde 4100 susp,MCD shades cherry wood stiles (frame around the cabinets) and In Command Control and that's all,The Mid Level Montana HIGH COUNTRY is closer to a Cougar
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Old 09-21-2016, 08:19 AM   #10
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I got the Legacy edition on my new 3820FK, and ordered every other option they had, including the full body paint, and my total price not including state sales tax and registration was $89,500 I don't see how they can build this moving house for so little? I almost wish it was 20k more, and all of the problems you guys mention could be fixed, like better tanks and A/C, and better axles etc. The RAM 3500 Dually truck I have hauling it, almost cost as much? Something is out of whack here. Then you go to RV parks, and see guys drive up in 1,000,000 motorhomes, and you wonder why they are so much more money? I mean my Cummins turbo diesel dually truck, and 3820FK combined is still only about 16% of a million dollar motorhome?
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Old 09-21-2016, 08:30 AM   #11
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After the end cap got knocked off my 2013 Montana I think the solid wall end cap is better insulated
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Old 09-21-2016, 08:34 AM   #12
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I guess it's all in prospective ... my 2011 3150RL (built when Montanas were Montanas) was around $48,000 ... nearly half of your rig. Granted it doesn't have as many bells and whistles, but I can just hum without some of those whistles.
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Old 09-21-2016, 09:41 AM   #13
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Maybe so, still prefer our molded rear cap.
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I took my taillights off to put LED's in and the back cap is Stuffed with insulation so I cannot see how a "Flatbacker" is better insulated in the rear wall there KOLCB, Plus the rear cap gives the 5er a nice finished classy look IMO,quote]Originally posted by K0LCB

After the end cap got knocked off my 2013 Montana I think the solid wall end cap is better insulated
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Old 09-21-2016, 12:34 PM   #15
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The rear cap isn't even that good!! Wavy cruddy paint job...6 k more!
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Old 09-21-2016, 12:46 PM   #16
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What the are you talking about?? both my 2012 and my 2015 rear caps were/are as smooth as glass AND the extra money for the Legacy PKG is more than a rear cap ,So move on Angry Resident Montana Basher or better yet just sell your Montana and Buy a Forest River or Grand Designs Because they are SOOO much better LOL!!

The rear cap isn't even that good!! Wavy cruddy paint job...6 k more!
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Old 09-21-2016, 01:57 PM   #17
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The rear cap isn't even that good!! Wavy cruddy paint job...6 k more!
I have a 2015 Legacy Edition with the rear cap, you really don't know what you are talking about.
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Old 09-21-2016, 02:19 PM   #18
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Old 09-21-2016, 03:22 PM   #19
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Our 2013 3750FL only had 1 1/2 inch of spun fiberglass 1/8" wall panel and molded outside. I think 1 1/2" foam is better, JMHO.
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That is the first time I have EVER heard Bigskyjimmy say anything bad on any subject. He must have had a bad day at work. Not like him at all.
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