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Old 03-17-2016, 03:03 AM   #21
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The HCs are designed to be pulled with a 3/4 ton truck.
The High Country 5th wheels may be designed to be towed by a 3/4 ton truck, but in reality only the gas engine 3/4 ton trucks may still be within the GVWRs....and really close even with the lighter weight gas engines setups. Many of the diesel 3/4 ton trucks weigh 7500 lbs. or higher empty. With 3/4 ton trucks grossing at 10,000 lbs, that leaves only 2500 lbs. for a hitch , the family, and the pin weight of the 5th wheel. With HC empty pin weights starting in the 2100 lb area (and much more when loaded), I venture to say that most diesel 3/4 ton trucks pulling any HC would be over GVWR.
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Old 03-17-2016, 06:30 AM   #22
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My knowledge of the HCs is limited to the ones we saw when looking in 2012 and '13. Because of the fit and finish problems in the HCs; slide floors did not match the permanent floor, trim falling off, etc, we went with the Montana and got the 6 pt leveling, fireplace, etc that we wanted. We are in it for up to six months at a time and are completely happy with it.
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Old 03-17-2016, 04:38 PM   #23
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Bama I am curious on the leveling system. In 2015 they only had 4 point electric leveling, at least in all the models that I looked at. Is the 6 point something they added in 16 and is it electric or hydraulic?
When we were shopping the 2015 models in late 2014, the 293RK and the 305RL had four point electric leveling. The 338DB and 343RL had six point electric. I'm not sure about the 318RE.

After we got the (considerable number of) bugs out during the first year, and after I've added several custom modifications, we have grown to really like this camper. The wide body is technically illegal in several states because of "permanent appendages" like the awnings that make it too wide when added onto the 100" body width, but I haven't had any problem with that. I suspect that's why they quit making it.

I wish though, that I had 6K axles on the thing like the late 2015 and 2016 models do. My loaded weight is approx 4720 lbs on each of the 5200 lb axles.
I'm thinking about upgrading those when I do a brake upgrade to a self adjusting brake in the next month or so.

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Old 03-18-2016, 04:24 AM   #24
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The HC floors aren't level with the main floor. As for fit and finish they are all built by old world craftsmen.
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Old 03-23-2016, 03:35 AM   #25
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Bama I am curious on the leveling system. In 2015 they only had 4 point electric leveling, at least in all the models that I looked at. Is the 6 point something they added in 16 and is it electric or hydraulic?
When we were shopping the 2015 models in late 2014, the 293RK and the 305RL had four point electric leveling. The 338DB and 343RL had six point electric. I'm not sure about the 318RE.

After we got the (considerable number of) bugs out during the first year, and after I've added several custom modifications, we have grown to really like this camper. The wide body is technically illegal in several states because of "permanent appendages" like the awnings that make it too wide when added onto the 100" body width, but I haven't had any problem with that. I suspect that's why they quit making it.

I wish though, that I had 6K axles on the thing like the late 2015 and 2016 models do. My loaded weight is approx 4720 lbs on each of the 5200 lb axles.
I'm thinking about upgrading those when I do a brake upgrade to a self adjusting brake in the next month or so.

I was a little worried about the axle rating and my total weight after a trip to the scales. so after a little research I found the difference between a 5200 lb axle and a 6000 lb axle is the spring pack has one more 5 inch long leaf on the bottom of the pack and the outside bearing is just a little larger the inside bearing is the same size on the 5200,6000,7000 axle. I changed the springs packs for $29.00 each and the brake drum that uses the larger outside bearing for $58.00 each from Etrailer. The axle tube thickness (3/16") and the (#42) spindle, brake size are the same on both axles. A little more leeway is a good thing.
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Old 03-24-2016, 07:49 PM   #26
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I was a little worried about the axle rating and my total weight after a trip to the scales. so after a little research I found the difference between a 5200 lb axle and a 6000 lb axle is the spring pack has one more 5 inch long leaf on the bottom of the pack and the outside bearing is just a little larger the inside bearing is the same size on the 5200,6000,7000 axle. I changed the springs packs for $29.00 each and the brake drum that uses the larger outside bearing for $58.00 each from Etrailer. The axle tube thickness (3/16") and the (#42) spindle, brake size are the same on both axles. A little more leeway is a good thing.
That's good information. That would be a lot less expensive than changing the whole axle.

How heavy were you on each axle when you weighed?
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Old 04-01-2016, 03:24 AM   #27
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We have a 2013 HC 343RL. Before the camper was 2 years old the paint had faded off the front cap and Keystone would not help us out any on getting that fixed. We've also had electrical problems to the point we had to cut a couple of trips short and head home. Our local dealers service dept has not been able to figure that out either and all they have done is check all the plug ins and tighten up the connections. We have not been back out in it yet to see if that solved anything. We really like the camper when things are going well, but, the paint situation on the front has really turned me off on Montana's. I try to keep my stuff clean and looking well, but, not much is going to help the front of that camper other than a new paint job at my expense.
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Old 04-01-2016, 03:38 AM   #28
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Harold welcome to the world of RVing.
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Old 04-02-2016, 12:26 PM   #29
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We have a 2013 HC 343RL. Before the camper was 2 years old the paint had faded off the front cap and Keystone would not help us out any on getting that fixed. We've also had electrical problems to the point we had to cut a couple of trips short and head home. Our local dealers service dept has not been able to figure that out either and all they have done is check all the plug ins and tighten up the connections. We have not been back out in it yet to see if that solved anything. We really like the camper when things are going well, but, the paint situation on the front has really turned me off on Montana's. I try to keep my stuff clean and looking well, but, not much is going to help the front of that camper other than a new paint job at my expense.
We used to own a 2012 343RL... Had the same issue with the front cap fading and decal peeling.

Keystone wouldn't help us either.

Because of the faded front cap we took a hit when we traded it in for a SOB...

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I was a little worried about the axle rating and my total weight after a trip to the scales. so after a little research I found the difference between a 5200 lb axle and a 6000 lb axle is the spring pack has one more 5 inch long leaf on the bottom of the pack and the outside bearing is just a little larger the inside bearing is the same size on the 5200,6000,7000 axle. I changed the springs packs for $29.00 each and the brake drum that uses the larger outside bearing for $58.00 each from Etrailer. The axle tube thickness (3/16") and the (#42) spindle, brake size are the same on both axles. A little more leeway is a good thing.
That's good information. That would be a lot less expensive than changing the whole axle.

How heavy were you on each axle when you weighed?

Cat Scale said 4062 lbs on the rear axle, 4240 lbs on the front axle, 2180 pin weight, 10400 lbs total on the road no water. Tows real nice and the trucks don`t push me around at all now. I don`t know if the 5th air bourne had anything to do with that or the Saluins but I feel real comfy now at 80 miles an hour ( no, just kidding ) I travel 65 max.
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Bama Camper so after modifying the stock axle to a higher rated axle are you still with in your GVWR that came with the trailer? Did you need more capacity or did you just want a higher weight rating/insurance that gives you piece of mind. It looks like you were well within specifications.

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Bama Camper so after modifying the stock axle to a higher rated axle are you still with in your GVWR that came with the trailer? Did you need more capacity or did you just want a higher weight rating/insurance that gives you piece of mind. It looks like you were well within specifications.

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It's confusing the way the text ended up placed between the quote lines, but I think it was bshgto who did the modification. But yes, I think it's a good idea also just to get some "headroom".
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I saw that ,don`t know what I did wrong
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I tried to add something to this thread but somehow my post got attached to someone else's post. I guess I pushed the wrong button sorry. I`m the one who changed out the spring packs and brake drums with the larger out side bearings to increase the axle capacity to 6000 lbs after seeing them on the new HC`s. My thought was Keystone isn`t going to put an extra dime in the manufacture of the units unless they have to. So they know something I don`t about HC`s and 5200 lb axles. I just know after the Sailuns, 5th air borne, springs and bigger bearings my unit is rock solid going down the road now unlike before.
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