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07-12-2012, 03:50 PM
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Ford 6.2 gas engine
Anyone out there haul a big 5er with a Ford 6.2 gas engine? After buying a new turbocharger on a trip in the middle of nowhere we are looking at a new (2012) Ford SC with the 6.2 V-8 gas engine. Supposed to tow 11,500. Our 5er is 9000+ UVW. Forgot to mention our truck has the 6.0L diesel. No wonder.
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07-12-2012, 04:04 PM
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Don't know much about Ford anymore, but I wouldn't go back to a gasser.
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07-12-2012, 04:08 PM
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Montana Master
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we just bought one, put 4:30 gears in it for a 15500 gross. plenty of power for our use,but we do not full time,if you are doing a lot of towing I would go for the new diesel,very good reports on it
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07-12-2012, 05:32 PM
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Montana Master
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Where did you get those numbers for a 2955?? When we had ours weighed at last years Rally we were close to 14000 Lbs (spec Dry weight on a 2010 2955RL is over 10337) which would be way over what that Gasser is rated for.
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07-12-2012, 07:45 PM
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Montana Fan
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I feel your pain, my 6.0 has been a lot of trouble, it pulls well but it doesn't stay out of the repair shop for very long. No more Ford's for me.
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07-12-2012, 07:56 PM
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Montana Master
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If you look at any power graph comparing a gasser with a diesel you'll see that a diesel's graph shows its power and torque at lower RPMs than a gasser. This translates that while the truck can tow that lesser weight compared to a diesel, you might not like it's performance (sluggish up a hills at any gear) and way lower mpgs since you need more RPMS (and fuel usage) to get the same performance.
I left gassers some time ago after too much struggling (poor fuel, poor performance and my poor body and mind being worn out from it). I never thought I'd get a diesel but nowadays, I could recommend no other. Pick a brand, they'll have good ones and bad ones, but if you are lucky enough, I'd rather put my odds on a diesel than a gasser.
If you were gonna go ahead and get a new truck, the newer diesels are showing they are much better than years before and I think the cost of ownership will be better with a diesel in the long run. This is only my opinion, but my two 6.0 diesels have been good to me and I've heard that new Ford 6.7 is a keeper. If Ford makes you mad, then the others should be just as satisfying.
I read a recent poll (couldn't find it) that over 70% of pickups these days are diesel and getting higher every year! That many people can't be that wrong and it's not just because I'm one of them.
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07-12-2012, 08:49 PM
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Montana Master
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Do not count out the ford gaser when you get the right gearing they are a pleasure to have A.K.A. LOW MAINTENANCE! I just hit 120k on my V10 the only thing I have ever done is spark plugs at a 100k,oil changes,air filter,end of story! will the diesels beat me up the pass? Yup,better gas mileage? Yep,some people do not need or want the extra cost and upkeep of a diesel BUT if I was putting mass miles every year traveling the U.S. yes I would get a diesel, so it depends on how big your 5th is and how much you travel, just my thoughts, my neighbor use to brag about his 6.0 kicking my v10 butt until last month it went in for 5k in repair bills he is not smiling anymore
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07-13-2012, 02:11 AM
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Montana Master
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I put over 100,000 miles on my 2005 6.0, primarily towing and the truck never saw a mechanic except for a couple of computer flashes. If you are going to continue to pull heavy rigs and keep your truck for a long time, I would look very hard at a diesel over a gasser. Torque is the difference, 405Lb vs 800lb at significantly less RPM than the gasser. And the V10 is history, for Ford.
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07-13-2012, 03:23 AM
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Montana Master
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Quote:
quote:Originally posted by 1retired06
I put over 100,000 miles on my 2005 6.0, primarily towing and the truck never saw a mechanic except for a couple of computer flashes. If you are going to continue to pull heavy rigs and keep your truck for a long time, I would look very hard at a diesel over a gasser. Torque is the difference, 405Lb vs 800lb at significantly less RPM than the gasser. And the V10 is history, for Ford.
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Agree with diesel....
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07-13-2012, 08:10 AM
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I didn't have a pencil & paper with me but the GVWR on our 2955 is 13000+ minus the UVW of 9,990(+-) minus propane & water. Anyway, in a few minutes we are off to look at a new 1 ton long box crew cab w\ 6.7 diesel. Our current '06 6.0 has had the bed plate (oil pan area) gasket replaced which requied pulling the engine, under warrenty, the turbo worked on 3 times before it went into self destruct. I have a funny feeling in my gut about keeping it.
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07-13-2012, 09:30 AM
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Montana Master
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I do not think you will go wrong with the new ford diesel
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07-13-2012, 10:00 AM
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Montana Master
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By the way the V10 is not history they still make them for commercial use powering 23,000 lb(class A coaches)etc.. As far as the 6.0 diesel I am a big Ford fan but that motor is a piece of poop, go to any ford truck forum and read the nightmare stories about them why do you think ford decieded to make their own diesel instead of staying with International to build their diesels? believe me and everybody else you have been lucky so far!congrats! I am just saying the gasers V10 the new 6.2 or other wise are a good option for alot of people if you do not need 800 lbs of torque, I tow a 3402 rl 12,700 lb (dry) and it does it just fine without issues
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07-13-2012, 11:12 AM
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Montana Master
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Quote:
quote:Originally posted by bigskyjimmy
Do not count out the ford gaser when you get the right gearing they are a pleasure to have A.K.A. LOW MAINTENANCE! I just hit 120k on my V10 the only thing I have ever done is spark plugs at a 100k,oil changes,air filter,end of story! will the diesels beat me up the pass? Yup,better gas mileage? Yep,some people do not need or want the extra cost and upkeep of a diesel BUT if I was putting mass miles every year traveling the U.S. yes I would get a diesel, so it depends on how big your 5th is and how much you travel, just my thoughts, my neighbor use to brag about his 6.0 kicking my v10 butt until last month it went in for 5k in repair bills he is not smiling anymore
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Other than fuel filters (which gas engines have too), I'm not seeing what extra maintenance you are talking about. Both have air filters, oil filters and fuel filters, but while the diesel has no spark plugs, they do have glow plugs which are similar, so I'll call that one a wash. Diesel fuel filters do have to be changed more often, but for a do-it-yourselfer, it's an easy job.
A bigger plus to the gas version would be the initial lower cost of the vehicle over diesel and the cost/availability of the gas over diesel. However diesel trucks do have better resale values, and when comparing pulling fuel economy, I believe the diesel fuel costs will even out or possibly be lower than the gas costs.
For someone who only pulls a trailer once or twice a year and typically short distances, gas may be a wise choice. For someone who full times or takes 1000+ mile vacations, especially where mountains are involved, diesel is the way to go.
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07-13-2012, 12:50 PM
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Montana Master
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quote:Originally posted by bigskyjimmy
I agree with ya on that, all I,m saying is just that not everybody can afford a diesel or needs one there are alot of Diesel "snobs"out there and they are not always the best choice for everybody...by the way I"m a ford guy but if I had the cash I would love to have that Chevy you got SWEEET!
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07-13-2012, 02:41 PM
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Montana Master
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To bigskyjimmys point the price of maintenance between the two is big. a gas engine takes 6-7 quarts a diesel is around 14 quarts, you have DEF to add at oil changes also, fuel filters on diesels are more critical then gas, for those who winter in the north, gelling could be an issue, An oil change around here for a gas job is about 30 dollars, for a diesel it is around 100. So it does add up. If you need the diesel then cost is not a factor, but if you are in between like us,a gas motor is the way to go. when we start to travel more a diesel will be in our future.
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07-13-2012, 03:03 PM
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Montana Master
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Exactly the point I was making I don't hate diesels, I just cannot afford one or pay for the cost of repairing it if it does break and the gaser does just fine for me and would for alot of other people too
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07-15-2012, 04:03 AM
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Well we bought the 2012 XLT F-30, 6.7, long box, crew cab. Sure rides nice and quiet too. Has more goodies than our old truck. We have to put some mile on it before we can tow but that is ok.
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07-15-2012, 05:09 AM
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Montana Master
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Great truck. You will not regret not getting the 6.2. 400 hp and 800 pound feet of TK, nice. You can never have too much power.
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07-15-2012, 06:55 AM
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Montana Master
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had both.05 Ford 350 V-10. Now 08 F-350 6.4 Diesel pulling the same Montana. Diesel cost more to maintain but it will not break the bank. Diesel pulls much better actually no comparison. Not everyone needs a diesel it depends on your Rvings needs.The V-10 did fine until we both retired and hit the road all over the country.If we were still just pulling locally and weekend camping the V-10 would be fine. Our first 6 month 7K mile winter trip out west and we purchased a diesel. Not a single problem with the 6.4L Ford.
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07-15-2012, 09:36 AM
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Montana Master
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There is no final answer folks. If at last read 70% of new trucks purchased are diesel, this means those that drive gassers will envy the diesels, but they will be able to eat out more because they have more cash in their pocket. I don't think there is going to be a 100% out there if there is a choice.
Just make sure you are using all the facts to your advantage. If not towing very far or often, then the anguish of a gasser can be okay.
I do highly recommend that using a pencil and paper or reading documents are NOT what to use to ensure you are at your most comfortable or safest. I got burned by paper and pen only once. Only the scales will get you there and only if you aren't over weight. Just check the numbers against reality will work and a gasser or diesel will suffice.
I've already mentioned why I NOW prefer a diesel and I am now a convert, but there's good and bad for each option, brand, configuration. Just pick which ones you want to live with and keep it safe.
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