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Old 02-22-2013, 03:02 PM   #1
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Horst Miracle Probes

Has anybody installed Horst Miracle Prodes on a Montana?

How hard was it if you did, and do they work?

http://www.horstmiracleprobe.com/

Here is a link that has more detail.

http://blog.rv.net/2009/10/rv-doctor...mbing-miracle/

 
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John I rember a few years back a member installed them I never heard any comments about there working ability but I was interrested in the sensors also.
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Before I decided that having an accurate sensor reading on my tanks wasn't that big a deal, I did a little research. I read up on the Horst probes and while doing that, I ran across SeeLeveL tank sensors. You can Google them if you like. The Horst uses the existing readout panel on the wall, but you are removing the sensors in your tanks and replacing them with the Horst which presents a possible leak source no matter how careful you might be on the install. Even with the hoods on the sensors ... I'd think paper or food particles could somehow still come in contact with the probe ... just not as much??? The SeeLevel system uses adhesive sensor tape that adhears to the tank on the outside ... you just abandon the old sensors in place. You also use the existing wiring more or less. Lastly, you have to mount their readout panel somewhere. It does readout in % of full not just 1/3 2/3 and full. How many times have you had 2/3 of a tank of water ... filled up a glass of water and then read 1/3 and said "what the ???" There's a bit more info on them, but I mentioned most of the points of interest. Just throwing this out as an alternative to think about.
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Before I decided that having an accurate sensor reading on my tanks wasn't that big a deal, I did a little research. I read up on the Horst probes and while doing that, I ran across SeeLeveL tank sensors. You can Google them if you like. The Horst uses the existing readout panel on the wall, but you are removing the sensors in your tanks and replacing them with the Horst which presents a possible leak source no matter how careful you might be on the install. Even with the hoods on the sensors ... I'd think paper or food particles could somehow still come in contact with the probe ... just not as much??? The SeeLevel system uses adhesive sensor tape that adhears to the tank on the outside ... you just abandon the old sensors in place. You also use the existing wiring more or less. Lastly, you have to mount their readout panel somewhere. It does readout in % of full not just 1/3 2/3 and full. How many times have you had 2/3 of a tank of water ... filled up a glass of water and then read 1/3 and said "what the ???" There's a bit more info on them, but I mentioned most of the points of interest. Just throwing this out as an alternative to think about.
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I have seen that before, and have printed out the info on the SeeLevel II system. I guess the hardest part is getting to the tanks, but I would be interested if anyone has done either.



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I was at the point of installing the outside the tank monitors last year when I realized I was comfortable not knowing anymore. At that point I wasn't willing to spend the money anymore. I am now fooling around with Happy Camper which some have said will clean the sensors we already have. It will be interesting to see, but for me, I'm done worrying about what the gauge says.
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I was at the point of installing the outside the tank monitors last year when I realized I was comfortable not knowing anymore. At that point I wasn't willing to spend the money anymore. I am now fooling around with Happy Camper which some have said will clean the sensors we already have. It will be interesting to see, but for me, I'm done worrying about what the gauge says.
I found this on the See Level II, good info on install.

https://www.heartlandowners.org/show...-Gauge-install

Here is what we need for Montana I think:

http://www.bestconverter.com/709-4-S...l#.UShLZB2PNXU


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I was at the point of installing the outside the tank monitors last year when I realized I was comfortable not knowing anymore. At that point I wasn't willing to spend the money anymore. I am now fooling around with Happy Camper which some have said will clean the sensors we already have. It will be interesting to see, but for me, I'm done worrying about what the gauge says.
I'm with Dick on this one. I use the "burp' method.
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All good information on two types of products. as for the Horst probes I have to think of how thin the walls are on our holding tanks, and the thought of drilling a larger hole to accomadate the Horst probes sounds like the possability of weaking the thin walls even more. I do like the Sea Level II's way of instalation but it looks like a lot of work and wiring.
I guess I'll stick to the original ones and do the guessing game thing. but thanks for posting i did learn about 2 good looking systems.
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I installed the Horst Miracle Prodes two years ago. They work better than the old sensors. They were not that hard to install. You need to remove the cover under the tanks. You loosen the old one and push them into the tank, then install the new ones. We still will get a fause reading, but not that often. We do alot of camping in State Parks with the Grands and it's good to know the levels when not connected to the sewer.
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I think my sensors may have worked the first year, now I just empty the black tank every 15 days. Probably could go longer.
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Since we rarely have full hookups, and the work appears to be getting to the tank, I went a head and order the SeeLevel II. It is $140 more than the Horst Miracle Probes. There is just two wires that go between all the probes, so wiring should be that bad, just getting to the tanks.

Here is what I ordered. http://www.bestconverter.com/709-4-S...l#.USlFSKKPNXV

Just need some good weather, and I will let you know how they turn out.

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