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05-10-2019, 06:57 AM
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Montana Master
Join Date: Feb 2012
Location: Lake Gaston
Posts: 8,773
M.O.C. #12156
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Prior to Delivery Inspection, either to a dealer or to a customer. Most of us do our own PDI before we sign and take delivery.
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Mike and Lorraine
2002 3655 FL, 2005 3650RK
2010 3665RE, 2015 3910FB
F350 crew cab dually 6.7
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05-10-2019, 07:34 AM
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Seasoned Camper
Join Date: Jun 2013
Location: vine grove
Posts: 80
M.O.C. #13517
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Quote:
Originally Posted by CaptnJohn
What makes you think GD is superior? This one did not make it a short distance from the dealer home,,,
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This is DAM sad...……..like some thing you would get from China. The maker of this RV needs to be FIRED!
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05-10-2019, 07:52 AM
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Site Team
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: Omaha
Posts: 6,749
M.O.C. #7560
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Bob-- PDI stands for: Pre Delivery Inspection It is what every new or used buyer should be doing BEFORE they sign the contract for the unit from a dealer. Actually, the dealers should be doing this also to make sure they have a unit that has been shipped to them in the correct condition. Some dealers just take the unit after delivery and put it on the lot without even checking them out when the transporters bring it to them. A good dealer will check it out from top to bottom and inside and out to make sure everything is in working order and ready to go out to the campground.
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05-10-2019, 07:57 AM
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Seasoned Camper
Join Date: Jun 2013
Location: vine grove
Posts: 80
M.O.C. #13517
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Rondo
mhs4771-- Keystone did indeed build a new PDI building BUT they are not PDI'ing each and every unit that comes off the line. This is suppose tobe done by the section supervisor at each station as the units move down the line. They are pulling a unit off the lot or off the line and pull it into the PDI building and do a thorough inspection of the unit. Also several of the executives at Montana Division are randomly pulling a unit off the line or the lot waiting for departure to the dealers or customer weekly and doing their own PDI. If an area shows up as a problem two times or more, the team leader/supervisor for that area is called in and made aware of the problem and is expected to correct this problem. We just returned from Goshen and our organizational meeting with the Montana executives for the upcoming Fall Rally and this is what we were told and saw. We think this is a great way for Keystone and the Montana Division will improve the QC on the units going out to the dealers.
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And Keystone will always tell you that your already getting a 80k plus unit MSRP and you will be buying it for way less, so what's your beef. You see they appraise their product High for two reasons, first Taxes, second is in Court we being sued. Just remember RV makers have NO assets. Collecting for repairs.....you are at their Mercy. They trust you, like you trust them but they are going to get their money! The customer use to right, not this day and age.
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05-10-2019, 08:25 AM
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Montana Master
Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: North Ridgeville
Posts: 20,229
M.O.C. #2839
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And Keystone will always tell you that your already getting a 80k plus unit MSRP and you will be buying it for way less, so what's your beef. .... Two Montana's since 2006.We have travelled over 130K miles in them, We attend every fall rally. I have never heard any Montana executive making that statement
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05-10-2019, 08:26 AM
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Established Member
Join Date: Apr 2019
Location: Beverly Hills
Posts: 20
M.O.C. #23835
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Thor industries owns Keystone, Dutchman, Crossroads, Integra Couch, Thor Coach, Jayco, and others. I have heard of complaints of declining quality about Integra, Thor Coach, and Keystone. While I am sure the after effects of the recession hurt the industry, these brands seem to have suffered the most. Food for thought.
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05-10-2019, 08:36 AM
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Montana Fan
Join Date: Jul 2017
Location: Where ever we park
Posts: 201
M.O.C. #20273
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Quality is down across the board, from 5k travel trailers to 500k + coaches. With so many people getting into RV's full time, they're pumping them out quicker today then 5 or even 10 years ago, so it's all about the bottom line. It's easier to pump out 50 a day with some issues and have the dealer repair them then it is to properly do a quality check. However, to do a thorough quality check of each unit as it came off of the line, would cause a huge shortage in inventory at the dealers which could cause higher prices then we see today with the surge in popularity of RVing.
We spoke to a camping neighbor on our last trip that had a 450k motor coach, had it for 8 months and 6 of those it was in the shop, from slide issues, transmission blowing up, fridge, floor, leaking, etc. so it's all over these days. It's not just the Montana issue it's really a THOR issue
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Mike
2016 Chevy CC DRW Duramax
2019 Montana 3700LK
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05-10-2019, 09:07 AM
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Established Member
Join Date: Feb 2018
Location: League City
Posts: 43
M.O.C. #21290
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I heard the Quality Director at Keystone left leaving his assistant to take over the job...
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2022 3761FL Legacy
2022 F450 Dually
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05-10-2019, 09:36 AM
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Montana Master
Join Date: Jun 2018
Location: Carson City
Posts: 2,017
M.O.C. #21963
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@Bridge4D, things are looking up!
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2016 3160, Legacy, Sailuns, Splendide 2100 xc vented, 1 1/2" axle lift blocks, disk brakes. 2014 Ram 3500 SRW SWB 4X4 6.7 Aisin Mega Cab, EBC slotted disks and brakes, Titan fuel tank.
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05-12-2019, 01:44 PM
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Seasoned Camper
Join Date: Aug 2018
Location: San Antonio
Posts: 67
M.O.C. #22453
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A lot of forum members think its just part of the RV experience. My 2019 3731 has been a pain from day one. The dealer has had it almost as much as I have. I used it this weekend and notice the inside door knob in the bathroom is cracked and the "veneer" is peeling off is the top right inside corner. Also discovered the kitchen area vent wont open unless the fan is on. The other 2 will open the vent without the fan running. This is after numerous issues that basically took all of last summer/fall to fix. I would get rid of this thing in a heart beat but you're looking at 50 cents on the dollar on a trade in and not much better on private sale. I would recommend looking elsewhere if shopping for an RV
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Greg H.
San Antonio, TX
2019 3731 w/20K GooseBox, 2021 F350 Crew cab TD dually
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05-12-2019, 06:28 PM
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Montana Fan
Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: Cumming
Posts: 109
M.O.C. #7984
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Don’t forget we ask much of these rigs. Climate is tough enough in where we want to go or be, but hauling all over takes a toll as well. Some of these issues can be related to airflow through our travels. I have had 2 that went from cold to warmer and forgot to open the top hatches to let it breath. Upon arrival it was noticed that they sweated really bad and caused some of these issues. Since, I always install the hatch covers over the hatches and always be sure to to crack a couple. Just make it part of the preflight checklist! Those additional covers should really be standard equipment.
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05-15-2019, 01:55 PM
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#32
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Seasoned Camper
Join Date: May 2013
Location: PORT ANGELES
Posts: 80
M.O.C. #13434
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Pre Delivery Inspection, I think.
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05-15-2019, 03:36 PM
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#33
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Montana Fan
Join Date: Jul 2016
Location: Georgetown
Posts: 302
M.O.C. #18751
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We just bought our 2nd DRV to live in full time. Bought the first new in 2004. Still great quality but still some little things...
Many of the manufacturers in Indiana use Amish labor. They used to brag about the quality but no more. Apparently they started paying piece rate and much less by hourly rate. The workers get their mínimums done and are back working on the farm by 1 pm.
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05-15-2019, 07:03 PM
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#34
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Montana Fan
Join Date: Jul 2018
Location: Islip Terrace
Posts: 405
M.O.C. #22165
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We have a 381th that aside from a leak & a bunch of minor issues, which I ended up correcting I think the rig is built pretty good. Gross trailer wt is 17k, 3550lbs cargo capacity, it has three 7k axels, 21k worth of tire capacity, 3/4" plywood floor with 12" I beams. Fit & finish are good, everything seems to work as it should, ac, heat all good, maybe we got lucky. The fiberglass gel coat looks way better than GD, huge front window that looks great. we have been buying campers since the early 90s & I think they have gotten better, this is our 8th rig & I feel the best yet & when you compare the amount of complaints vs what we dont hear about you have to assume their are a lot of happy owners, at least I hope so.
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05-15-2019, 08:12 PM
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#35
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Seasoned Camper
Join Date: May 2013
Location: PORT ANGELES
Posts: 80
M.O.C. #13434
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In the "For What It Is Worth" category, I have owned a 2003 Monty 3295RK for many years. Only major complaint so far is lousy decals peeling and fading.
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05-15-2019, 08:28 PM
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Established Member
Join Date: Dec 2015
Location: Orillia
Posts: 28
M.O.C. #18135
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PDI is Pre delivery inspection. RV ers are great for using first letters rather than full words. Still Haven't figured out what DW is ….
HELP!!! And I too bought some of Keystones secondXXXXXX third rate product
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05-15-2019, 08:29 PM
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#37
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Seasoned Camper
Join Date: May 2013
Location: PORT ANGELES
Posts: 80
M.O.C. #13434
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DW = Dear Wife.
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05-15-2019, 09:15 PM
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#38
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Montana Fan
Join Date: May 2009
Location: Gilbert
Posts: 262
M.O.C. #9307
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Quote:
Originally Posted by reinell30
Why has the Montana, and when did the Montana get built so shabby. I for one can't understand where the quality control has gone? My son just took delivery of a new 2020 Montana today. Doors that wouldn't latch, one battery instead of Two (He ordered Two) LED lights missing on the outside, half there and half missing, Master Bedroom TV not there, nail holes partially filled with putty, etc..... This should not happen! poor quality control at factory needs to get fixed! I shutter to think what will happen on his 1st trip out, will the furnace work, will toilet flush, will the sewer drain,? Small things so far, but no reason for it. Keystone fix it!
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It has continued to decline and will continue until we quit buying.
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