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Old 03-15-2019, 01:05 PM   #1
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Keystone LoadSafe Concept

Keystone recently unveiled a new innovation called LoadSafe. The below video explains the feature and benefit.

Would this be a useful feature?
What would you pay for an option like this?

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Old 03-15-2019, 01:58 PM   #2
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Seems like a good concept. No clue how much it would add to cost. Seems like the real payoff would be on a toy hauler where you can make major weight changes by driving a vehicle into it. Would also be worthwhile on other rigs.
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Old 03-15-2019, 02:46 PM   #3
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I very well may wind up being the only one with this opinion but I see this as a solution looking for a problem. If this took 4 years to develop then it is way to complicated for the application environment IMHO. If history is any indicator then I would have concerns regarding the components and their ease of repair, replacement and reliability. In addition in the event that something happens how do you certify that the weights were accurate? Is there a calibration process? Who can certify that it was calibrated correctly? If not then what's the point. Scales are readily available and certified. I would happily spend $15 for two weighs any day of the week. I have no idea what this will add to the cost of a coach as an option but I know it's a lot more than the $30 it will cost me to weigh my rig and truck twice a year.
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Old 03-15-2019, 04:25 PM   #4
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If I cared that much, I'd rather just buy a portable scale system than something that would be permanent on the trailer. You could use it on any rig too. I'd imagine the Keystone option price would far exceed a portable setup.
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Old 03-15-2019, 05:00 PM   #5
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To answer the OP second question, it's an option I would leave off my wish list, so the amount I would pay is zero.
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Once a year we pay to have our rig and truck weighed. The problem we found was the truck could handle the weight, but you couldn't by SRW tires to handle that weight wouldn't have been caught by a system on the trailer. In fact it would have given me confidence I shouldn't have had. So it's a big no for me.
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Old 03-15-2019, 06:47 PM   #7
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Could this answer the question no one was asking?
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Old 03-15-2019, 08:49 PM   #8
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Neat gadget. Enough said.
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No thanks I'll go weigh my setup at the cat-scale once a year.
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Old 03-16-2019, 06:53 AM   #10
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Okay I'll weigh in on this one. Sorry too easy

It looks like it would be Legacy only. Unless of course you start adding InCommand to non-Legacy. So this limits the pool.

The Units this would be useful are the 3790/3791 372/373 and 380/381. 2 of those are MHC and not legacy available. I pick these units because they have the most cargo space.

Let's assume I am wrong(don't tell DW I put that in writing) and you make available for all legacy and non-legacy.

You might want to get answers to the following questions:
How many have ever loaded up and then hit the scales?
How often do those that hit the scales go more than once? Our "load wold only change +- 200 pounds depending on trip.
How many have ever overloaded their 5er?
How many even care about the weight? (think of the number of folks here that pull with a 3/4T) I know this will get some folks defensive, but this is a discussion about staying within published weights.

Now if you really want to add a feature people would pay extra for how about disk brakes available for non-legacy.
How much money is being left on the table for that omission?
Dometic 310/320 as an option? Or just make the switch and be done with it.
Drawers lower cabinets in 3700/3701LK. Who ever heard of a Luxury Kitchen without a pantry?

I could go on, but you should get the idea. Focus on what folks would use everyday (or more than once everyday in the case of a 320) and less bells and whistles.

You can use this tag line once you get there "Montana the Best selling usable luxury 5th wheel on the market."

Well off to build drawers to make DW happy. pix to follow
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Keystone needs to be investing $ into build QUALITY not snake oils like this garbage that will just fail anyway.
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Old 03-16-2019, 08:41 AM   #12
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Okay I'll weigh in on this one. Sorry too easy

It looks like it would be Legacy only. Unless of course you start adding InCommand to non-Legacy. So this limits the pool.

The Units this would be useful are the 3790/3791 372/373 and 380/381. 2 of those are MHC and not legacy available. I pick these units because they have the most cargo space.

Let's assume I am wrong(don't tell DW I put that in writing) and you make available for all legacy and non-legacy.

You might want to get answers to the following questions:
How many have ever loaded up and then hit the scales?
How often do those that hit the scales go more than once? Our "load wold only change +- 200 pounds depending on trip.
How many have ever overloaded their 5er?
How many even care about the weight? (think of the number of folks here that pull with a 3/4T) I know this will get some folks defensive, but this is a discussion about staying within published weights.

Now if you really want to add a feature people would pay extra for how about disk brakes available for non-legacy.
How much money is being left on the table for that omission?
Dometic 310/320 as an option? Or just make the switch and be done with it.
Drawers lower cabinets in 3700/3701LK. Who ever heard of a Luxury Kitchen without a pantry?

I could go on, but you should get the idea. Focus on what folks would use everyday (or more than once everyday in the case of a 320) and less bells and whistles.

You can use this tag line once you get there "Montana the Best selling usable luxury 5th wheel on the market."

Well off to build drawers to make DW happy. pix to follow
Jeff,

I think this is intended for a true toy hauler like a Fuzion or a Raptor vice a Montana. We can't drive a heavy UTV or sandrail into the back of ours like you can with a true hauler and can manage fine with a trip to the scale.
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Old 03-16-2019, 09:10 AM   #13
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Do the people at Keystone actually listen to what the customers would like to see in their units??????? I don't recall even one MOC member mention anything that even resembles this. It would seem to me that the monies expended to develop such a useless option could have been spent on some the the concerns with quality improvement of their already developed product. A prime example is the pivot door, how many have replaced it? Or better yet, how many LIKE it?
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If it is a 300 dollar option, it is a waste of money when you can CAT scale twice a year for 10 years. Now if you regularly carry widely changing loads in a toyhauler there might be some value. For most people , me included, I suspect this is unnecessary and pure profit for dealer that will spec the units they order to sell on their lot.
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Do the people at Keystone actually listen to what the customers would like to see in their units??????? I don't recall even one MOC member mention anything that even resembles this. ...
MAybe not, but how many times have there been discussion on "is my trailer too heavy, or can my truck tow this"
... blah blah blah... This product is for the lazy RV buyer that does not want to or cannot do the simple math. If you have a toy hauler and vary what you carry by a wide margin frequently... you have a use for this... most of us would not.

Profit center for the RV dealer, nothing more.
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Keystone needs to be investing $ into build QUALITY not snake oils like this garbage that will just fail anyway.
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