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03-02-2006, 04:31 PM
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Montana Master
Join Date: Nov 2002
Location: Bakersfield
Posts: 5,316
M.O.C. #15
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Hi Dick,
I sure hope you don't have to do that often! Of course it gets you a new generator.
Dennis
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03-03-2006, 03:47 AM
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Montana Master
Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: North Ridgeville
Posts: 20,229
M.O.C. #2839
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Our Montana dealer has offered us a price of 930.00 out the door on the Kipor kge 3500ti generator..Research indicates a MSVRP of 1199.00, Now I don't know if we need the 3500TI as that one will not run both A/C's..Well it might run them but getting them started up is another story. The kipor 2000ti may be a better choice as most of you are using the Honda 2000. Jim..does the Kipor 2000ti do the job for you?????
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03-03-2006, 03:56 AM
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Montana Master
Join Date: Sep 2003
Location: Forestville
Posts: 6,025
M.O.C. #496
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Rich, one Kipor 2000 will not run a A/C, it will take two of the in tandem.
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03-03-2006, 04:08 AM
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Montana Master
Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: North Ridgeville
Posts: 20,229
M.O.C. #2839
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I was going by the 2000ti specs..2000 watts peak power and Montana claim the the A/c draws 11 amps running and 16 amps on startup..Watt=VoltsX Amps 120X11=1320 Watts should be OK ????? 120x16=1920 Right on the edge... That's the theory and that is why I am asking those who are using the 2000 Watt generators. I am listening....
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03-03-2006, 04:41 AM
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Montana Master
Join Date: Sep 2003
Location: Forestville
Posts: 6,025
M.O.C. #496
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I can not run my A/C with just one of my Honda 2000i's, it takes two of them wired together. I am sure it is the start up load that will be the problem.
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03-03-2006, 05:29 AM
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Montana Master
Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: North Ridgeville
Posts: 20,229
M.O.C. #2839
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OK thanks..The 3500Ti Kipor will run 1 A/C and is less expensive that two 2000's Kipor or Honda... The spec's for both are about the same....
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03-04-2006, 12:01 AM
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Montana Fan
Join Date: Dec 2005
Location: Northeast
Posts: 414
M.O.C. #5072
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Can the Kipor 2000's be wired together like the Hondas? Even though that would be more expensive, they would be a lot easier to handle than one 3500 because of the weight. Of course that also makes them a lot easier for a thief to carry off.
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03-04-2006, 02:04 AM
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Montana Master
Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: North Ridgeville
Posts: 20,229
M.O.C. #2839
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They can be ganged together.They are a near direct copy of the Honda generator.The 3500ti is a bit heavy at 132 lbs dry weight but I do not consider that excessive.There is another MOC member that has one but has not used it yet and I will let him be the test bed to see how it carries the load.(thanks Steve)We want to be able to run one of the A/C if need be and according to the theory the 3500 (develops 3000 watts) should be able to do that.We have a 3.5KW sears gen that we have used for years with our previous campers TT's but the output is not as clean as the newer Hondas and Kipors and we don't wnat to destroy any of the electronics in the Montana///
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03-04-2006, 02:06 AM
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Montana Master
Join Date: Oct 2005
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M.O.C. #4890
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I have heard of McColluck (spelling guess) that are a Kipor selling for 540 bucks so that would make two of them close to the price of one heavy Kipor 3500.
I have the Kipor specs in front of me , rated amps with 120 volts are 13.3 so the A/C will not run.
The Kipor 2000 is a Honda clone so I would say it should work in tandem but that is just an educated guess. Noise level is 54-59 decibals
Myself, dragging around a 135 pound generator is not my cup of tea and I would rather have the two lightweights anyday. If this Kipor keeps performing I will probably get another Kipor or a Mc Callickamijig or whatever they call them.
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03-04-2006, 02:54 AM
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Montana Master
Join Date: Aug 2004
Location: Cedar Rapids
Posts: 4,876
M.O.C. #1944
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Quote:
quote:Originally posted by DHenry
Rich, one Kipor 2000 will not run a A/C, it will take two of the in tandem.
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Doug,
I believe you meant to say "in parallel" didn't you?
Orv
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03-04-2006, 03:38 AM
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Montana Master
Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: North Ridgeville
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M.O.C. #2839
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Quote:
quote:Originally posted by Wrenchtraveller
I have heard of McColluck (spelling guess) that are a Kipor selling for 540 bucks so that would make two of them close to the price of one heavy Kipor 3500.
I have the Kipor specs in front of me , rated amps with 120 volts are 13.3 so the A/C will not run.
The Kipor 2000 is a Honda clone so I would say it should work in tandem but that is just an educated guess. Noise level is 54-59 decibals
Myself, dragging around a 135 pound generator is not my cup of tea and I would rather have the two lightweights anyday. If this Kipor keeps performing I will probably get another Kipor or a Mc Callickamijig or whatever they call them.
Yes I have these specs and and there is no doubt the Kipor 2000 like the Honda 2000 will not run A single A/C.We do note the the Kipor has wheels..does that help???I would also prefer two light weights but $ are $ and Helen is strong like ox.
I think I know what you mean by the other generator can't spell it either but will try to find it////
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03-04-2006, 04:40 AM
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Montana Fan
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: Cicero
Posts: 336
M.O.C. #4571
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I think this is what you are looking for :
McCulloch FG2000TC 2000 Watt Digital Generator
$499.99 $7.99 Flat Shipping
* McCulloch 4-stroke OHV engine
* Equipped with electric circuit breaker
* Recoil start
* 120 V AC output; 12V, 8.3 Amps DC output
* Maximum 2000Watts output for wide range of application.
* Approximately 4 hrs run time on a 0.65 GL single fuel tank.
* Converter technology delivers quality output.
* Unique and patented air cycle system.
* Dual voltage and frequency output for easy use.
* 56~61dB noise level @ 7.7 yards.
* 20.20”L x 11.65”W x 16.77”H overall
McCulloch FG2000TC 2000 Watt Digital Generator
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03-04-2006, 07:29 AM
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Montana Master
Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: North Ridgeville
Posts: 20,229
M.O.C. #2839
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jpbcny..thanks..good to have someone that can spell..There are a ton of places on the web where you can buy these, the spec's are the same as the Honda 2000 and the Kipor 2000.The prices were all under 500.00.Have NOT been able to find out YET if they can be hooked in parallel..If so I would, i think, buy two of these at that price..any one know for sure, about the parallel hookup..
We E mailed www.toolking.com and inquired about the parallel hookup.
Opps..Don't think the Mcculloch will do it..Front panel does not have any 30Amp outputs.. Rats...
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03-04-2006, 09:44 AM
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Montana Fan
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: Cicero
Posts: 336
M.O.C. #4571
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Quote:
quoteon't think the Mcculloch will do it..Front panel does not have any 30Amp outputs
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None of the 2000 Watt Generators have 30 AMP Outputs. They need to have "Banana" tip cable outputs (unfused), in order to properly paralell 2 generators...
As Seen Below:
JP
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03-04-2006, 11:50 AM
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Montana Master
Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: North Ridgeville
Posts: 20,229
M.O.C. #2839
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Oh Boy.. So much to learn..but this is the place to learn.. Back to the research..Have not been able to get a picture of the front panel of the kipor or Mcculloch yet..
Found some really good test reports on the Kipor 3500ti over on rv net forum. They will run a 15K A/C and the microwave,Tv at the same time along with lights , etc. They do run a bit louder than the Honda, some said no difference but the spec's say a bit louder. On the Kipor 2000 I have not found anywhere any mention that they can be hooked in parallel like the Honda. The 3500 is a heavyweight at 132Lbs but at $930.00 looks like a good deal and it will do the job we want of it....Our Montana dealer will have a 3500ti in soon and perhaps I will go over and wring it out..
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03-04-2006, 12:11 PM
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Montana Master
Join Date: Nov 2002
Location: Bakersfield
Posts: 5,316
M.O.C. #15
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jpbcny,
Very nice pictures. And as they say.... a picture is worth a thousand words. Thanks for posting pictures and info.
HamRad
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03-04-2006, 05:01 PM
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Montana Master
Join Date: Oct 2005
Location:
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M.O.C. #4890
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Well my Kipor does not have those parallel operation outlets so here is another plus for Honda.
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03-05-2006, 01:24 AM
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Montana Master
Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: North Ridgeville
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M.O.C. #2839
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Thanks for that info Wrenchtraveller, another question answered,The Honda is a fine generator but I can not see paying that kind of Money for the name.Kipor dealers will and are increaseing.Looks like we will go, if we go, with the Kipor 3500 or the larger Mcculloch although the Mc Culloch does NOT come with electric start and we don't see that option and since I blew a rotator cuff a couple of years ago all my "stuff" now has electric start..
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03-05-2006, 01:38 AM
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Montana Master
Join Date: Apr 2004
Location: Ontario
Posts: 722
M.O.C. #1328
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Actually you can parallel the Hondas without the special cable, just use 2 - 3prong (15/20amp) plugs wired in parallel to the 30 amp trailer connector. If you look at the internal wiring diagram I think the special connectors just bypass the circuit breakers. I have used and seen many setups like this over the last few years.
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03-05-2006, 02:04 AM
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Montana Master
Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: North Ridgeville
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M.O.C. #2839
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The Kipor 3500ti
Frequency 60
Output 120 Volts
Rated current (A) 23.3 Amps
Rated Speed 3600
Rated Power 2800 Watts
Rated Power Peak 3000 Watts
DC Output 12 Volts 8.3 Amps
Electronic Overload Protection Yes
Phase Number Single Phase
Fuel tank capacity(L) 13 L
Continuous running time 9.0
Noise Level 62~65 dB
Overall Dimension 686mm × 425mm × 505mm 27.0"× 16.7" × 19.9mm
Dry Weight 60kg / 132 lbs
Engine Model KG205
Engine Type Single cylinder, 4-stroke,air-cooled, overhead valve, gasoline engine
Displacement 0.2L / 200cc
Rated Power 4000 Watts
RPM 3600
Ignition system T.C.I.
Spark plug F6RTC
Starting System Recoil Starter / Electric Starter
Fuel Type Gas
Fuel consumption(g/kW.h) 395
Lube oil SAE10W30
Bore X
The Honda
EU3000is Specifications
Engine 6.5 HP, Single Cylinder, Overhead Valve, Air Cooled
Displacement 196 cc
AC Output 120V
3000W max.(25A)
2800W rated (23.3A)
Receptacles 20A 125V Duplex
NEMA Plug Number:
5-20P
30A 125V Locking Plug
NEMA Plug Number:
L5-30P
DC Output 12V, 144W (12A)
Starting System Recoil, Electric
Fuel Tank Capacity 3.4 gallons
Run Time on One Tankful 7.2 hrs. @ rated load
20 hrs. @ 1/4 load
Dimensions (L x W x H) 25.8" x 18.9" x 22.4"
Noise Level 58 dB @ rated load
49 dB @ 1/4 load
Dry Weight 134 lbs.
We will go to the dealer..hook it up to a camper and see how it performs. As for carrying it around we intend for it to stay in the TV or in the camper where the Onan generator goes..it will fit.
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