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03-12-2019, 06:59 PM
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New Member
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Hi John, Im going to give you my two cents based on the facts that I used to sell GM vehicles and that I own a 2014 non dually 2500 HD. I also tow a 42 ft fifth wheel with it. Everyone telling you they are the same truck as a 3500 are correct. With the diff being the leaf springs. All I did was take it to have one additional set of leaf springs added to increase the box weight capacity. That increased the box capacity to an extra 1000 lbs. Cost me around $400 to do it. That being said, I will also agree that a dually would be safer and more stable to tow with. Also to make a point, I read a comment about a non dually truck having more trouble stopping. This is not totally true as EVERY campers own breaks MUST have the ability to stop its total rated weight all on its own. If you have your trailer brakes set correctly, the trailer brakes will handle its own weight. Go the route with your truck that makes you comfortable. Either way will do the job.
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03-12-2019, 07:03 PM
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Montana Fan
Join Date: Mar 2019
Location: Raleigh
Posts: 123
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Lynwood,
Have not purchased the coach yet. Saved some $$$$. thought our truck had adequate pulling capacity for the Montana, but today have learned otherwise. Now looking for a different coach.
Thank you
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03-12-2019, 07:06 PM
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Montana Fan
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Location: Raleigh
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Interesting. What is a DRW?
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03-12-2019, 07:08 PM
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New Member
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Location: Wooster
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Dual rear wheels
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03-12-2019, 07:09 PM
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Established Member
Join Date: Oct 2018
Location: Gardnerville
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srw single rear wheel
drw dual rear wheels.. i e dually
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03-12-2019, 07:11 PM
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Montana Fan
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Location: Raleigh
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Brian,
Based on my research and what I have learned in a short amount of time, I would recommend you check your load weights for your coach and what you should be able to SAFELY tow. I'm just sayin'.
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03-12-2019, 07:13 PM
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Montana Fan
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Location: Raleigh
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Dually. Got it. Don't know the lingo.
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03-12-2019, 07:17 PM
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New Member
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One other thing I feel I should mention about trucks. As the trucks get newer, they tend to increase in their towing and weight capacity. They do this to compete with each other. What you can tow with today may not be true in a truck that is older. Always check on this before you bye.
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03-12-2019, 07:46 PM
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Montana Master
Join Date: Jun 2018
Location: Carson City
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Phil and JoAnn
Hi John, Im going to give you my two cents based on the facts that I used to sell GM vehicles and that I own a 2014 non dually 2500 HD. I also tow a 42 ft fifth wheel with it. Everyone telling you they are the same truck as a 3500 are correct. With the diff being the leaf springs. All I did was take it to have one additional set of leaf springs added to increase the box weight capacity. That increased the box capacity to an extra 1000 lbs. Cost me around $400 to do it. That being said, I will also agree that a dually would be safer and more stable to tow with. Also to make a point, I read a comment about a non dually truck having more trouble stopping. This is not totally true as EVERY campers own breaks MUST have the ability to stop its total rated weight all on its own. If you have your trailer brakes set correctly, the trailer brakes will handle its own weight. Go the route with your truck that makes you comfortable. Either way will do the job.
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I would recommend not traveling that rig through the central CA coast. The CHP red tags 2500's pulling oversized trailers regardless of modifications to the truck. Not to mention the lawyers that deal with overloaded trucks.
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03-13-2019, 05:59 AM
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Montana Master
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Location: Grand Rapids
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mlh said it all. stop overthinking everything. just the 5th wheel if you want it and the truck will pull it.
but, if you are rich and worried, buy a F450 to cover it, gee a new one is only $75-80K out the door.
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03-13-2019, 06:12 AM
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Montana Fan
Join Date: Mar 2019
Location: Raleigh
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mazboy,
We are not rich, but are concerned about having too much coach for our truck. So, we are going in a different direction that doesn't involve a new tow vehicle.
Received lots of good comments and advice.
Thanks everyone that contributed.
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03-13-2019, 06:55 AM
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Montana Master
Join Date: Oct 2004
Location: Salem
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John I don’t know if anyone said this, you have a nice truck.
Lynwood
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03-13-2019, 08:40 AM
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Montana Master
Join Date: Nov 2018
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Montana Man
I would recommend not traveling that rig through the central CA coast. The CHP red tags 2500's pulling oversized trailers regardless of modifications to the truck. Not to mention the lawyers that deal with overloaded trucks.
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they tend to look for triple axle trailers with major squat. CHP rancho Cucamonga I have friends on the inside lol.
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03-13-2019, 09:21 AM
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Montana Master
Join Date: Jun 2018
Location: Carson City
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Last2Die, yes those are the easy pickins. They should get an extra ticket just for being so stupid. They are everywhere in the Pismo area.
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03-13-2019, 11:52 AM
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Montana Master
Join Date: Oct 2014
Location: Hagerstown
Posts: 861
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and off to the races
Quote:
Originally Posted by Phil and JoAnn
Hi John, Im going to give you my two cents based on the facts that I used to sell GM vehicles and that I own a 2014 non dually 2500 HD. I also tow a 42 ft fifth wheel with it. Everyone telling you they are the same truck as a 3500 are correct. With the diff being the leaf springs. All I did was take it to have one additional set of leaf springs added to increase the box weight capacity. That increased the box capacity to an extra 1000 lbs. Cost me around $400 to do it. That being said, I will also agree that a dually would be safer and more stable to tow with. Also to make a point, I read a comment about a non dually truck having more trouble stopping. This is not totally true as EVERY campers own breaks MUST have the ability to stop its total rated weight all on its own. If you have your trailer brakes set correctly, the trailer brakes will handle its own weight. Go the route with your truck that makes you comfortable. Either way will do the job.
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I woudn`t bet on this.
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03-13-2019, 01:54 PM
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Montana Fan
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Location: Raleigh
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Thank you Lynwood!
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03-13-2019, 01:57 PM
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Montana Fan
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Location: Raleigh
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bshgto - Now looking at a lighter unit than the Montana, but one that will get the job done. Disappointed. Really was getting excited about the Montana 3121RL. Oh well, life goes on.
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03-14-2019, 10:09 AM
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Montana Master
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That's probably a good move, John. The F250/2500 drivers love to tell us how wonderful their trucks are....but the bottom line is they are over weight. People hauling rigs like these Montanas should have the truck they "need" not the truck they "have" or "can get by with."
Good luck to you.
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03-14-2019, 05:14 PM
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New Member
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Location: Wooster
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M.O.C. #20376
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TLightning, Im not trying to start an argument, but your not giving John accurate information. The 2500 hd and the 3500 hd is EXACTLY the same truck out side of the suspention. The towing capacity on the 3500 is actually a little less than the 2500. Even when they have the 4.10 rear end in them. The reason is the weight diff of the 2 trucks (if you go to the dually). You can check this very easy by picking up one of GM brochures and comparing the towing capacity of the Dually vs the single wheeled trucks. Im not going to talk on the other brands as I don't know them as well. But GM brands I do.
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03-14-2019, 06:27 PM
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Montana Fan
Join Date: Mar 2018
Location: Haysville
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Here some information on 2016 Ram 4x4 crew cab. 6.4 with 4.10 from the charts.
All 3 haul the same weight.
SRW have same or similar tires? Everybody talks about weight on tires? So, if same tire why the payload different on the tires? Yes different in springs, brakes, but the tires??
2500 SRW 3300 / 15630
3500 SRW 4400 / 15470
3500 DRW 6670 / 15600
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