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Old 07-21-2012, 05:26 PM   #61
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This was a problem in general aviation aricraft because they sit so long without being flown, the solution was to keep the tanks fully filled so the algae did not have room to grow. Just saying!
Sounds very sensible.
So Phil, what you are saying is.... they didn't need any bio medic algae eating chemicals, warning lights, or fancy filtration systems.... they just used plain old common sense?
Yep! That's it...
 
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Old 07-22-2012, 04:12 AM   #62
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The newer trucks require a higher Cetane rating than the older ones. Our Ford 08 6.4L for example require a cetane rating of 45 for peak efficiency. Diesel comes out of the refinery at a cetane rating of 40/41 cetane. Stations are not required to post the cetane rating on the pumps.Hess in Florida does and it is posted as 40 cetane. Our Ford dealer in Florida had tested Diesel fuel at the stations in the area and not one of them came close to 45 cetane other than the Shell premium.There are others that are 45, Sunoco sells a premimun diesel.
We have use the cetane booster since day one on the advice of Ford.
There is some good information of both Cetane and regen on the internet.....look it up.
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Old 07-22-2012, 05:39 AM   #63
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I bought a bottle of Cetane yesterday and will be trying it out today. I was reading some of the Dodge forums yesterday and a lot of folks are using it for a cleaner and to boost the Cetane level in the fuel. We will see if I can notice any difference on the way home tomorrow. I could tell the difference of the bad fuel I had in my tank and fresh fuel that is in there now. Part of the increase in power most likely came from a fresh filter as the bad fuel did a good job of restricting flow to the pump. All though I am not complaining about the 12.5 mpg I got on the way up here I am just a little gun shy having a fuel problem in the future.
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Old 07-22-2012, 06:44 AM   #64
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We were advised by the diesel specialist who repaired our 95 Ford 7.3 to add cetane and ATF to the fuel- The cetane increased the output of the fuel and the ATF added a cleaner and lubricant to offset the ULS fuel being sold for todays diesels- It sure worked for us- The 95 Ford had 388k plus on the odometer when we traded up out of fear of a major breakdown in the boonies- The diesel specialists we still use recommended adding cetane on a regular basis to our new TV to offset the crummy fuel that is on the market- It appears we are at the mercy of greedy oil companies- What else is new? JMHO- Don
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Old 07-22-2012, 04:12 PM   #65
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ATF to the fuel in the new engines like the 6.7 will kill it. ATF is ok for the old diesels but not the new ones.
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Old 07-23-2012, 01:08 AM   #66
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I have a naive question, but regarding insurance coverage it was mentioned above that insurance would not cover something like this. Would this always be the case? My example would be if you blow a tire and damage your car, the insurance will pay to fix it and it was caused by another product, the tire. So if you have another product, fuel instead of a tire, and it damages your vehicle why wouldn't insurance cover it?

Thanks for the help!

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Old 07-23-2012, 02:28 AM   #67
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ATF to the fuel in the new engines like the 6.7 will kill it. ATF is ok for the old diesels but not the new ones.
I'm not sure that is true, can you cite a source?

Nevertheless, I would be very hesitant to use transmission fluid for this reason: it's red. Red dye is added to off road usage fuel, and using said fuel can result in large fines. You might have a hard time convincing the law that you fuel has a red tint from transmission fluid.
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Old 07-23-2012, 04:46 AM   #68
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The new fuel is the result of improved environmental controls. Oil companies could care less.
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Old 07-24-2012, 04:33 AM   #69
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My source is the diesel tech at my Ford dealership where I have taken my last three trucks. He also is an advocate of ATF in the older diesel engines (and told me to use ATF in my 1999 7.3), but stated that using ATF in the newer diesel is a great way to ruin one's modern day diesel motor.
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Modern day diesels operate at high fuel pressures which "old school" diesels did not. He also showed me an article that stated the Army did a study (which I found online – see below):
Since October 1993, some diesel end-users have tried adding automatic transmission fluid (ATF) to diesel fuel to improve the fuel's lubricity. According to the U.S. Army's quarterly fuel and lubricant bulletin (March 1994), laboratory testing using the Ball-on-cylinder lubricity evaluation (BOCLE) had shown that the addition of ATF to a low sulfur fuel does not improve the fuel's lubricity rating. Moreover, the presence of ATF in fuel can adversely affect other performance properties of diesel fuel.
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Old 08-26-2012, 08:27 AM   #70
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I thought it valuable to resurrect this thread after reading on another forum about this issue on Ram trucks. Basically there are 2 vents on the top of the fuel tank that will allow water and dirt to enter. This is a known problem dating back to 2005. Mopar acknowledges this problem as they offer a kit to prevent water and dirt from entering the tank "in wet and dirty conditions" along with their severe duty filtration kit. Drifty1 I am not sure how Dodge can blame bad fuel from another source when it is a known problem that their fuel tanks can allow dirt and water in! I'm posting a link to the thread on this topic which contains fixes for the problem.

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Old 08-29-2012, 04:26 PM   #71
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I thought it valuable to resurrect this thread after reading on another forum about this issue on Ram trucks. Basically there are 2 vents on the top of the fuel tank that will allow water and dirt to enter. This is a known problem dating back to 2005. Mopar acknowledges this problem as they offer a kit to prevent water and dirt from entering the tank "in wet and dirty conditions" along with their severe duty filtration kit. Drifty1 I am not sure how Dodge can blame bad fuel from another source when it is a known problem that their fuel tanks can allow dirt and water in! I'm posting a link to the thread on this topic which contains fixes for the problem.

Check Your Fuel Tank Today

I have been thinking about some of the questions that have come up it this topic for a few days. I know that is a scary thought right!!

As for adding a second filter system I would like have the capability to tell the differential pressure between the inlet and outlet pressure of the main filter I have on the truck. If you have 2 filters the first one will plug and you will be in the same boat if you only have one. I am saying this with the understanding that if you have only one filter and it does not fail to the extent of letting particulates get by. With my truck the filter did what it needed to do but my fuel was so bad it had a hard time burning. At least I did not have to replace injectors or the high pressure pump because my filter did its job. The local Dodge dealer has seen filters that have collapsed because the high pressure pump can pull enough vacuum allowing debris to get by.

As for a vent open allowing water and dirt to flow freely into the tank I have not been able to get under my truck to look as I am still have a lot of trouble with my knee replacement. I did take a closer look at the cap on my fuel tank and I can see there looks like there is a vent built into the cap. it looks like it is designed to allow air to get into the tank and also looks like it can vent the tank if it starts to build up pressure with a change of temperature.

These are my opinions and I know not everyone has the same opinions but I just wanted to bring the topic up because I believe fuel problems are only going to get worse.

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Old 09-01-2012, 05:14 PM   #72
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BP is presently in a class action suit for contaminated fuel in Illinois and southern Wisconsin. There are between 2500 and 3000 folks involved. Up here in Northern Wisconsin we have a few cases of sever fuel contamination but mostly in gasoline vehicles. Most of the diesel contamination around here is from water getting into the ground tanks. We have been very luck in that dept so far but I always carry 2 spare filters when we hit the road...
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Old 09-01-2012, 05:28 PM   #73
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I guess I need to call for the results of the test I requested for the fuel at ARCO in Aberdeen Wa. I hope if anyone has a problem with fuel contact the Dept of Ag. weights and measure dept in the state you think you got the fuel from.
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Old 09-05-2012, 03:29 PM   #74
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I guess my big question here is how can Dodge blame the fuel source (fuel station) when they (Dodge) admit that there are two sources of contamination (open fittings) on the fuel tank in it's truck?
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