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Old 03-31-2012, 11:18 AM   #1
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Does anyone know if Keystone advertises the HCs as 1/2 ton tow-able? Just noticed an HC must have come in today, behind an extended cab Toyota. I looked at the pin weights on the Keystone site and they're all between 1700 and 2100 dry. Seems a little heavy for that Toyota to me.
 
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Old 03-31-2012, 11:29 AM   #2
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I looked at the weights before and they did not look that much less than the Montana, surely not enough to be considered a "lite line" as far as I could tell.
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Old 03-31-2012, 11:57 AM   #3
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Here's what they based their purchase on. Toyota says: Tundras equipped with the 5.7-liter V8 and the optional Tow package can pull trailers up to 10,400 pounds. They don't mention pin weight anywhere and I'm sure the salesman didn't either.
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Old 03-31-2012, 12:11 PM   #4
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The Tundra is not big enough... IMHO.
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Old 03-31-2012, 12:33 PM   #5
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I was pretty sure of that, I just thought I'd see what I could get started. I wouldn't dare post that over on the IRV2 forum as there is a group of die hard Tundra owners that insist there trucks can tow anything they can hook it too (including several with some pretty big Toy Haulers), and if you try to disagree with them they start telling you exactly where to go and what to do when you get there.
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Old 03-31-2012, 01:08 PM   #6
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They obviously have plenty of money to go along with their "smarts." Transmission repairs and rear differentials do not come cheap! "It pulls it just fine and I have no problems.............yet!
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Old 03-31-2012, 01:22 PM   #7
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As has been noted on here many times, the ACTUAL tow capacity is the GCWR minus the weight of the truck when ready to tow...add pin weight, etc. No way a Tundra can handle it.
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When properly equipped the Ford F150 3.5 Ecoboost is rated to pull 11,000+ pounds. It has 365 HP and 425 pound feet of toque at 2500 RPMs. It is for all practical purposes a F250 in F150 clothes. I think it is rated to handle the weight of a High Country. Go to Ford's site and check. It is the highest rated 1/2 ton truck.
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Doesn't matter Toyota, Ford, Dodge, or GM. Half tons are generally rated for approx 1500 Lbs max payload. Just put in a hitch and add the pin weight of just about any 5er and your generally at 2000 Lbs and up, thats without passengers, fuel, or anything else you might throw into the box.
OK, I was a little off on payload, so here's the info directly from the Ford Web site for 1/2 ton trucks:
Maximum Payload (lbs.) Ford 1810 Chevy 1940 Dodge 1480 Tundra 1620
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Old 03-31-2012, 03:24 PM   #10
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The most important thing that your TV does is keep you safe and keep control of your trailer in an emergency situation. In 1982 I was towing a 32 ft. Terry TT with a Suburban north on I95 at the Ga. SC line when the hitch lost its weight bearing capacity. I had years of experience towing and was able to keep the rig out of on coming traffic. I almost stopped before approaching a rain catcher in the median. At about 5 mph. It gently rolled over in the median wheels up. No one was injured. I was at full capacity for the TV. Had there been no emergency, we would have been safe. I learned that day to overkill TV simply because you can't avoid emergencies. Do all you can to keep yourself safe upfront, it's too late to go back and get what you need after the fact. It's not towing a trailer that I think of, but controlling it when the emergency arrises. Hopefully you will never need it, but it is comforting to know that you have done the best you can for you and DW to be safe. Any one can propel a trailer into the traffic, only the better prepared are likely to get it stopped in case of emergency. IMHO Larry
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Old 03-31-2012, 06:23 PM   #11
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The most important thing that your TV does is keep you safe and keep control of your trailer in an emergency situation. In 1982 I was towing a 32 ft. Terry TT with a Suburban north on I95 at the Ga. SC line when the hitch lost its weight bearing capacity. I had years of experience towing and was able to keep the rig out of on coming traffic. I almost stopped before approaching a rain catcher in the median. At about 5 mph. It gently rolled over in the median wheels up. No one was injured. I was at full capacity for the TV. Had there been no emergency, we would have been safe. I learned that day to overkill TV simply because you can't avoid emergencies. Do all you can to keep yourself safe upfront, it's too late to go back and get what you need after the fact. It's not towing a trailer that I think of, but controlling it when the emergency arrises. Hopefully you will never need it, but it is comforting to know that you have done the best you can for you and DW to be safe. Any one can propel a trailer into the traffic, only the better prepared are likely to get it stopped in case of emergency. IMHO Larry
X2 with Larry. I'd be more worried about how it stopped and handled in an emergency with all that behind it than I would whether or not it could pull it.

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Larry (HOOK) brings up an outstanding point! Even if your weights and your TV are up to snuff, when something breaks, all bets are off, things are shifted all over the place, parts of the rig are now carrying more than should and the worse part is the driver has to have the calmest and quickest sense to reacting quick enough, properly enough and do it in a fraction of a second and manner to keep everyone ELSE around you as safe as possible and try to minimize any further damage.

Who's been there! My hand is raised!

Starting out overloaded DOES NOT HELP!

Toyota Tundra owners solve their problems by trading in their abused trucks and just buying new again to start over. You think the poor shmo who bought that used Tundra knows what it went through? I think not. You could say this about many truck brands but I think the smaller the truck, the bigger the abuse.
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Old 03-31-2012, 10:31 PM   #13
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You think the poor shmo who bought that used Tundra knows what it went through? I think not. You could say this about many truck brands but I think the smaller the truck, the bigger the abuse.
Yep... If I was looking at a used half-ton or a Tundra that looked like it had rails in the bed at one time (or still did) I would immediately run in the opposite direction knowing it had been overworked.

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Old 04-01-2012, 04:24 AM   #14
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One summer I stayed in Leadville, Colorado while working at Camp Hale (WWII 10th Mountain Division training site). Leadville is 10,200' MSL.
I met a brilliant Air Force Captain from Peterson Field in Colorado Springs that pulled a 30' TT from Colorado Springs up to Leadville with a Ford F-150.

He, too, had to replace his transmission prior to heading back downhill. I never did learn how his brakes survived (IF they survived).
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Old 04-01-2012, 06:05 AM   #15
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That really is the main point I was trying to make, everybody gets hung up on towing capacity and power to tow what ever, but never look at the load capacity of their TV or thinks about their ability to control things in an emergency situation.
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I think what they are saying is "nope" not a good match. When we bought ours , dealer said 3/4 ton minimum.
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If towing a Monty with a half ton...might think about increasing the coverage on the umbrella policy! (possibly the life policy as well)
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i too used to be one of those, "my Suburban can handle a 10K lb. trailer", until i towed with 3/4 and 1 ton trucks. in my experience, i had no idea of what was not there, until i experienced what is supposed to be there when towing. look at springs, shackle bolts, etc. 10k is max trailer tow rating with stripped regular cab Tundra

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