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07-30-2016, 06:48 AM
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Montana Fan
Join Date: Dec 2013
Location: Elk Grove
Posts: 103
M.O.C. #13966
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Slide Out Mechanism for front bedroom
We have a 2014 3402RL Montana. The electric bedroom slide out mechanism has failed. We are going to have it repaired by a mobile tech in 2 weeks. He told me that he knows the part that usually fails and will order the part now...IF I can confirm to him that we have a BAL system. All of this to say...does anyone know if Keystone uses a BAL system for the electric bedroom slide outs? Thanks a bunch, Miles
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07-30-2016, 07:35 AM
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Montana Master
Join Date: Sep 2013
Location: Pensacola (mail forward service)
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Do you see cables outside (4) which is the bal system OR do you see a metal strip about an inch or more wide that has an s like structure in the strip? John
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2012 F350 6.7 L dually, 2013 3800RE with 6 pt leveling, Sumitomo 17.5" load range h tires, Samsung 18 cu ft residential fridge, 8k Morryde I.S. with disc brakes. Full timing since 2012.
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07-30-2016, 09:02 AM
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Established Member
Join Date: Jul 2016
Location: Owasso
Posts: 21
M.O.C. #18767
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Either BAL or Schwintec (lippert)
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07-30-2016, 10:50 AM
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Site Team
Join Date: Oct 2005
Location: Carmichael - CA
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Miles: look over the top fascia of the bedroom slide. I am certain you will find BAL sticker there. All the cable slides I have seen on Montana are BAL systems. I don't recall any Montana with the Schwintek systems (indicated by a metal gear strip on the outside of the slide).
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Carl (n Susan)
There is more to life than fuel mileage.
2012 Montana 3700RL Big Sky Package towed by a 2015 Ford F350 6.7L PSD 4WD CC LWB
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07-30-2016, 11:23 AM
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Montana Fan
Join Date: Nov 2010
Location: Northwest Tennessee
Posts: 450
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My 2017 3611 has the Shwintek slide system on the bedroom slide.
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2012 Chevy 2500
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07-30-2016, 11:49 AM
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Montana Master
Join Date: Feb 2012
Location: Lake Gaston
Posts: 8,773
M.O.C. #12156
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Our 2015 has BAL
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Mike and Lorraine
2002 3655 FL, 2005 3650RK
2010 3665RE, 2015 3910FB
F350 crew cab dually 6.7
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07-30-2016, 01:25 PM
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Site Team
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Location: Wilsey
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I think Keystone just switched to Shwintek this year.
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2017 3720 RL, and 2013 HC 343RL
Pullrite Hitch, IS, Disk Brakes, 3rd AC, Winegard Traveler, Bathroom door mod, Dometic 320, couch for desk swap, replaced chairs, sun screens, added awnings, etc.
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07-30-2016, 01:25 PM
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Montana Fan
Join Date: Dec 2013
Location: Elk Grove
Posts: 103
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My thanks to everyone who responded! You know, sometimes full time life can make a person feel a little like they are a lost soul...especially when something goes wrong. And then...when I can write a message asking for help on the MOC...and within a very short time receive so many helpful comments to my question...I don't feel so lost. I looked. I have a BAL system. At least because of the design of our coach, we can function until we can get the slide fixed. Thanks again, everyone. I appreciate your friendship. Miles
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07-30-2016, 03:43 PM
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Site Team
Join Date: Oct 2005
Location: Carmichael - CA
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Quote:
quote:Originally posted by DQDick
I think Keystone just switched to Shwintek this year.
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I was at my dealer yesterday (yet another issue with the RV) and looked at the new models. They only had two on the lot because they are selling as quick as they get them. I was looking at a stale (they have had it long time) FL model after the posting about where the black tank is located. The FL had cables but it is a 2016. I didn't look at the other one as it was well over 100 degrees on the blacktop lot.
It will be interesting to see how the Schwintek works in a front slide. I have heard they really don't like flexing.
Miles: what are the symptoms of the problem with your slide? I am very familiar with cables breaking, but other than that, it works fine.
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Carl (n Susan)
There is more to life than fuel mileage.
2012 Montana 3700RL Big Sky Package towed by a 2015 Ford F350 6.7L PSD 4WD CC LWB
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07-30-2016, 05:53 PM
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Montana Fan
Join Date: Dec 2013
Location: Elk Grove
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Hi Carl ...The first challenge was in San Antonio last year. It refused to come in; however, we were using battery power. When we switched over to shore power...it then worked for several months. Recently, it started making "thumping" noises which weren't normal...but then again ...it would go in and out. Inasmuch as we are headed to the National Rally...I was hoping to have Keystone take care of it in Goshen. Then last week it sounded like a gear was not meshing. And then 3 days ago, it would only extend about 3 inches. When it retracted, we decided to leave it retracted and contacted a referred mobil RV rep in Rapid City, who asked me if it was a BAL system. The cables all "look" normal to me. Although its challenging for the mobile RV person to diagnose over the phone...he said that his experience would lead him to believe a specific part has failed because he has seen this condition with BAL many times before. I have heard of the challenges of working with electric slides and getting the cables functioning properly after they have been reattached so I am holding my breath that he is a knowledgeable and detailed person who can fix this situation. Fortunately, we are going to be in Rapid City for 5 weeks, so we will be able to bring the slide in and out several times while we are in the area to insure that it is working properly before we leave the Rapid City locale.
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07-31-2016, 03:02 AM
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Montana Master
Join Date: Jan 2009
Location: Land O Lakes
Posts: 932
M.O.C. #9053
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I have a question marginally related to this. My Big Sky has a hydraulic slide system, and I THINK no cables. Are other models differently equipped?
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2009 Big Sky 365REQ 10th Anniversary Edition
2008 Ford F350 King Ranch Super Duty
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07-31-2016, 03:38 AM
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Montana Master
Join Date: Feb 2012
Location: Lake Gaston
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Depends on the year, for the most part. Norm now seems to be hydraulic for all slides except bedroom or FL. Look at your slides when out, if cable, you see the cable top and bottom both sides. IfSchwintex, a metal track strip top and bottom both sides. Two SOBs in our park last year both had Schwintex issues because the two driver motors for each slide got out of sync and the reset process did not work. Others in the park had no problems. We have had no problems with our bedroom BAL setup.
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2002 3655 FL, 2005 3650RK
2010 3665RE, 2015 3910FB
F350 crew cab dually 6.7
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07-31-2016, 05:38 PM
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Montana Fan
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Location: Elk Grove
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Hi, Walt Because we have a standard 2014 Montana, I cannot speak directly about a Big Sky; however, I believe that most Montana products have hydraulic slides...except for the bedroom slide...which is electric. When your bedroom slide is in the "in" position, look around the bed's headboard and you may find your cables. At least that's where mine are. Before this situation materialized, I had never even looked at my cables. I have our unit serviced once per year at the time of the National Rally at Tiara in Elkhart, IN. As part of its annual maintenance, I always ask that Tiara provide maintenance for my slideouts. However, my hydraulic slideouts have started squeaking recently. In this regard, I have used WD 40 silicone and it seems to help. When I was at Lowes last week, I noticed that WD has a new product which is supposed to be 12X better. I will apply it tomorrow to my hydraulic slideouts. I have never personally treated the cables to our electric slideout. I have applied the silicone to the electric slide's rollers...but essentially...I think it was more to make me "feel" like I was doing something...prior to the electric slides' total failure.
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07-31-2016, 06:15 PM
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Montana Master
Join Date: Jan 2009
Location: Land O Lakes
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Hmmm. I am pretty sure all my slides are hydraulic, but now I will look next time out. Curious more than anything else!
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2009 Big Sky 365REQ 10th Anniversary Edition
2008 Ford F350 King Ranch Super Duty
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08-01-2016, 03:12 AM
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Montana Master
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M.O.C. #12156
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You are correct. You reflect a 2009 model. keystone switched from hydraulic for certain models more recently. Our 2002,2005, and 2010 were strictly hydraulic for all slides. Our 2015 has BAL for the bedroom. Would rather have the hydraulic.
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Mike and Lorraine
2002 3655 FL, 2005 3650RK
2010 3665RE, 2015 3910FB
F350 crew cab dually 6.7
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08-01-2016, 07:26 AM
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Montana Master
Join Date: Sep 2013
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There was a point when keystone used schwintec and had major issues so they halted using for a year. Now using again. As for the issue on the bal cable slide...if you stand on the bed and look over behind the facia, you will see the motor which has two chain sprockets and chains that connect to the cables. This connect point is a block that sometimes isn't vertical and this causes the other connector to smack into it...hang up...then release making a loud thunk. Make sure both right side and both left side connectors are vertical. I'm betting your noise goes away. John
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08-01-2016, 02:54 PM
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Montana Fan
Join Date: Apr 2011
Location: Newbury Park
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M.O.C. #11329
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My 2009 3000RK has hydraulic on both living room and bedroom slides.
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