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Old 12-02-2014, 02:34 PM   #21
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Philp, why should this be a warranty issue your not changing anything on the truck except adding electric wires for the monitor and fuel transfer pump and a couple of hoses, dodge never said anything to me. Unless you folks are actually replacing the tank then it could be an issue
The reason I got from the dealer when I ask was you have to modify the fuel system in order to introduce the fuel in to the OEM tank.

This constitutes a modification to the EPA system and from that point on the GM dealers are not allowed to perform any work on the vehicle except for correction to restore the EPA systems to their original configuration.

I would guess this applies to any of the new vehicles.

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Old 12-02-2014, 06:08 PM   #22
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I have a 70 gallon tank from transfer flow, one of the best things that I have done, put it in when I was going into Mexico because I need low sulphur diesel. Now I love that I have a 1,000+ mile towing range and I usually fill up after dropping the trailer. I can't see how this can be a warrantee problem is all the tank does is pump fuel into the main tank.
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Old 12-03-2014, 03:28 AM   #23
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I agree with mamestra, i would call GM directly or better yet send them an e-mail tell them your intent and see what they say, that way if they rule in your favor you have it in writing from the manufacturer
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Old 12-03-2014, 10:58 AM   #24
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Most dealers will not guarantee the fuel pump that is installed in the fuel tank if the tank is not a OEM tank, usually an extension has to be added to the pickup tube along with the fuel sensor, that's one reason I went with the portability of the transfer tank in the bed of the truck. plus I wont have to buy another tank if I by a new truck just swap them out.
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Old 12-03-2014, 12:03 PM   #25
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Yes i agree i added mine in the bed that is what i'm saying i'm adding not replacing that may be a diff story but still should not see an issue
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Old 12-03-2014, 12:44 PM   #26
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I installed a 60 gal (in bed) RDS tank. Using their "diesel install kit" they cut about 4" out of the factory fill pipe and installed the RDS kit that allows the in bed tank to feed the OEM tank.

I sent a e mail to RDS and the reply was that if I was using the tank for diesel fuel, there was NO EPA rules/mandates I would be in violation of.

Their tanks and install kits are ONLY approved for diesel. You could install their tank and install kit in a GAS truck and Yes, you would be in violation of EPA guidelines.

The original tank, fuel pump is still in place. I installed the in-bed tank, as mentioned earlier, I can move it to a different truck if I decide to trade. Or take it out and sell on Clist.

Now if Ram wants to make a issue of it, they need to prove to me how I caused a fuel system problem. I have only modified the fill neck, not the system.

I just like having 95 gal of fuel and can pick and choose where to fill up. We wonder out west sometimes, fuel at a decent price is not always available.



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Old 12-03-2014, 01:38 PM   #27
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I sent a e mail to RDS and the reply was that if I was using the tank for diesel fuel, there was NO EPA rules/mandates I would be in vi

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What about your particle separator or DEF system.

All related to the OEM original configuration.

What Farmhawk did makes sense. Apparently Ford provides for this by allowing the system to be modified. GM doesn’t even provide for a tire sizes change.
Phil, a '12 Ram does not use DEF. Only '13 and up. A particle separator, what is that? I would suspect that is the fuel filter on the engine that is fed by the OEM fuel pump before the HP pump?

We have to remember that GM filed bankruptcy and the taxpayers bailed them out. They are wanting to dis-allow themselves from any liability of their product.

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Old 12-03-2014, 10:25 PM   #28
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Phil, a '12 Ram does not use DEF. Only '13 and up. A particle separator, what is that? I would suspect that is the fuel filter on the engine that is fed by the OEM fuel pump before the HP pump?

We have to remember that GM filed bankruptcy and the taxpayers bailed them out. They are wanting to dis-allow themselves from any liability of their product.

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A particle separator is part of your exhaust system and I forgot to mention the EGR system. The point is you have an EPA required emissions system just like all of the diesels produced in the last 10 years. The fuel system is part of that EPA system. Changing the fuel system is the same as changing any other part of the EPA system.

Dodge will not work on your truck any longer if you have modifies the EGR system I had a fellow that did just that on a 2010 and when Dodge refused to work on the truck because he had modified the EGR he got mad and sold the truck.

You think Dodge isn’t avoiding liability? Read your warranty very closely.

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Old 12-04-2014, 12:53 AM   #29
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Most dealers will not guarantee the fuel pump that is installed in the fuel tank if the tank is not a OEM tank, usually an extension has to be added to the pickup tube along with the fuel sensor, that's one reason I went with the portability of the transfer tank in the bed of the truck. plus I wont have to buy another tank if I by a new truck just swap them out.
Unless you have a gas powered truck, there is no fuel pump in the fuel tank.
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Old 12-04-2014, 03:37 AM   #30
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Unless you have a gas powered truck, there is no fuel pump in the fuel tank.
Tom, nope...not so My diesel Ram has a electric pump IN THE TANK. My owners manual says to turn the key to on and wait 4 seconds and turn off. Do this 4 times to prime the fuel filter either after a filter change or if you run out of fuel.

When I drain the filter to check for water, if I just open the drain only a small amount comes out, when I turn the key on, I get a good amount out. I only use one key cycle then.

If you Google Cummins 6.7L lift pump you find Dodge/Ram has had in-tank pumps for years.

You are correct that GM does not have in tank fuel pumps on diesels.

The OP has a 2015 Ford. The link below might be worth reading.
http://www.dieselsite.com/dieselsite...separator.aspx

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Old 12-04-2014, 09:09 AM   #31
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Would not matter if I had a 1000 gallon tank in the truck we would still be stopping every 300 miles or so for a restroom stop. We did consider a extra fuel tank but decided it was of no benefit to us.
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Old 12-04-2014, 09:18 AM   #32
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Hi richfaa

We do the same but I have considered it for the purpose of buying fuel at the lowest price before going into a state when you know in advance the next state or couple of states is high tax states.

Fuel in the county I live in is .10 cheaper than the county east of us because of the lower county fuel tax. This can be the same between states.

But wife carries one of her rail cars cross ways in the front of the pickup bed so no extra fuel tank.

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Old 12-04-2014, 09:21 AM   #33
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Would not matter if I had a 1000 gallon tank in the truck we would still be stopping every 300 miles or so for a restroom stop. We did consider a extra fuel tank but decided it was of no benefit to us.
So true Rich!!! those pit stops and stretch breaks are important to us old folks, and the one the wife wants is even more important if you don't stop for that one terrible things can happen......
I do like the IDEA of being selective when picking a station that isn't going to take my wallet to the cleaners. the other nice thing is my VW is diesel so I can top it off in an emergency also.
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I had an extra 40 gal tank installed about 4 years ago. I once got caught in Needles CA. about out of fuel. Had to pay $5.45 a gal. I put in 10gals to get me to exit 9 in AZ where the fuel was $1.35 cheaper. My 08 F250 gets maybe 9.5 at the most (towing) so the exter fuel helps a lot. Plus I can shop fuel much better. Love that tank :-).
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jib27537, nice read thanks.
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Would not matter if I had a 1000 gallon tank in the truck we would still be stopping every 300 miles or so for a restroom stop. We did consider a extra fuel tank but decided it was of no benefit to us.
Rich, we also are "older" and usually I and the DW appreciate a "walk around" every couple of hours. However we have the option of stopping on the road where we have a large shoulder, or a hwy rest stop and fuel is not there. A 300 mile day is all day for us. Leave around 9, stop by 3. Get settled and ready for a beverage by 4.

The price of fuel savings will probably never pay for the cost of the RDS tank and the install. But, when I fill up, leave with 95 gallons of fuel, knowing most of our destination trips are usually 1000 miles or so, (Mo to RGV for winter, Mo to Colorado for summer, or points west) I only need to fuel once and can pick and choose where I fill up.

Before I had to fill every day and was at the mercy of the local truck stop, which we all know are not the least expensive. I hate the big truck stops, most are not RV friendly, charge extra for credit cards. I have swore off of T/A and Loves.

The thought of all that extra weight. 60 gallons of diesel fuel is about 360-400lbs. Like that is going to make a difference.

No, there is no logical reason to install a larger tank, but knowing I have the option to drive for a couple of days and not worry about fuel, works for me.

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Old 12-06-2014, 08:09 AM   #37
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The RDS or ATI tanks using gravity feed are a very good and cost effective way to add fuel capacity. I have used gravity feed tanks for years, quick easy, no pumps or wires or switches to fool with. Keep it simple. Most TV's have 30 gal plus factory tanks. Adding an additional 30 or so gal tank in the bed should not upset the balance of any TV and trailer. The reserve capacity provided is a good feeling and has many benefits.
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