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08-06-2018, 07:46 PM
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#121
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Montana Fan
Join Date: Jul 2018
Location: Islip Terrace
Posts: 405
M.O.C. #22165
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Quote:
Originally Posted by CaptnJohn
It will take 5 years for the Endurance to prove it self. One year is hardly proof. Don't forget the Marathons were good when they came out and years later became known as Marabomb! Don't forget GY hid many accidents, many injuries, and at least 9 deaths caused by their MH tires for years and kept selling them. Not a very trustworthy company.
Now~~ the PROVEN tire with the ABSOLUTE BEST reputation comes from China. That is the Sailun, a Canadian company. They also cost less than the Endurance.
EARLY reports indicate the Endurance may prove to be a very good tire. In time it may be the best for those with 15" wheels and smaller that cannot hold at let 80 PSI. Those with a heavy 5er should not consider LR E (10 ply rating) tires but go with LR G (14 ply).
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Im an early adopter, they are 16" rated at 3450lbs our toy house max is 18k & the monty is 17k seems ok to me. I have about 4k on the toy house & no signs of abnormal wear, tires look great. Sorry as a contractor their is no such thing as Best from china, just my opinion. On the commercial side we are changing over to endurance tires on all our small trailers, under 20k.
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08-07-2018, 10:54 AM
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#122
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Montana Master
Join Date: Jan 2009
Location: Centerville
Posts: 1,350
M.O.C. #9051
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Renegade1LI
Im an early adopter, they are 16" rated at 3450lbs our toy house max is 18k & the monty is 17k seems ok to me. I have about 4k on the toy house & no signs of abnormal wear, tires look great. Sorry as a contractor their is no such thing as Best from china, just my opinion. On the commercial side we are changing over to endurance tires on all our small trailers, under 20k.
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There is best in tires, regardless of where they are made, pretty tough to ignore the Sailun reputation, but many are skeptical.
We will see how these Endurance do, for the price they should be stellar, but yet we all know how the G614's did, not so stellar. Time will tell.
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08-07-2018, 11:34 AM
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#123
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Site Team
Join Date: Sep 2017
Location: Oro Valley
Posts: 3,923
M.O.C. #20477
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Renegade1LI
Im an early adopter, they are 16" rated at 3450lbs our toy house max is 18k & the monty is 17k seems ok to me. I have about 4k on the toy house & no signs of abnormal wear, tires look great. Sorry as a contractor their is no such thing as Best from china, just my opinion. On the commercial side we are changing over to endurance tires on all our small trailers, under 20k.
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Are these Goodyears E or G rated and what is the price?
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08-07-2018, 11:44 AM
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#124
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Montana Master
Join Date: May 2017
Location: South East NC
Posts: 1,768
M.O.C. #19865
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Renegade1LI
Im an early adopter, they are 16" rated at 3450lbs our toy house max is 18k & the monty is 17k seems ok to me. I have about 4k on the toy house & no signs of abnormal wear, tires look great. Sorry as a contractor their is no such thing as Best from china, just my opinion. On the commercial side we are changing over to endurance tires on all our small trailers, under 20k.
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Sailun
235/80/16 rated 4080
235/85/16 rated 4400
Nearly 1000# difference on the 85 series.
Yes,,, but contractor, retired, banker, or ditch digger can research and see Sailun has the best rep by far!
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08-07-2018, 12:38 PM
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#125
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Montana Master
Join Date: Jan 2009
Location: Centerville
Posts: 1,350
M.O.C. #9051
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Quote:
Originally Posted by CaptnJohn
Sailun
235/80/16 rated 4080
235/85/16 rated 4400
Nearly 1000# difference on the 85 series.
Yes,,, but contractor, retired, banker, or ditch digger can research and see Sailun has the best rep by far!
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Old thinking ,and habits die hard. Sailuns reputation over the past 5 years are unsurpassed , and regardless how many times it gets repeated, some cannot get past the Chinese made or they think the price is TOO cheap, or its now an ST tire instead of LT , as in the past. The list could probably go on ,and on.
Regardless of all the thinking they have proved themselves, and is arguably , no not even arguably at this point ,the best G rated 16" fifth wheel tire out there.
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08-07-2018, 12:45 PM
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#126
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Montana Master
Join Date: May 2017
Location: South East NC
Posts: 1,768
M.O.C. #19865
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Quote:
Originally Posted by AZ Traveler
Are these Goodyears E or G rated and what is the price?
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They are LR E and simply overpriced especially as they are being tested by buyers.
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08-07-2018, 01:16 PM
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#127
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Montana Fan
Join Date: Jul 2018
Location: Islip Terrace
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M.O.C. #22165
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This is off tire rack, not sure how they are 1000b difference.
ST255/85R16
129/125N E
Trailer Use Only
None 4,080 lbs. 80 psi 8/32" 51 lbs. 6.5-8" 7" 10" 7" 33.1" US
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08-07-2018, 01:34 PM
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#128
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Montana Master
Join Date: May 2017
Location: South East NC
Posts: 1,768
M.O.C. #19865
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Renegade1LI
This is off tire rack, not sure how they are 1000b difference.
ST255/85R16
129/125N E
Trailer Use Only
None 4,080 lbs. 80 psi 8/32" 51 lbs. 6.5-8" 7" 10" 7" 33.1" US
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Company shows 235/8516 at 110 PSI 4400#. They state you can run the best on light wheels at 80 or anywhere in between there and 110 psi. My math still shows the diff at nearly 1000#, 4400-3450 = 950.
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08-07-2018, 04:38 PM
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#129
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Montana Master
Join Date: Jan 2009
Location: Centerville
Posts: 1,350
M.O.C. #9051
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Quote:
Originally Posted by CaptnJohn
They are LR E and simply overpriced especially as they are being tested by buyers.
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Many got to test the goodyear G614's , and we know how that went , not good. Its been 8 years since I bought the G614's . In the two times I brought in my rims, I removed two at a time to get the G614's mounted, there were two trailer tires, Goodyear G614's both with no tread on them . It was heart warming, but basically the only game in town, at the time.
Although I had no problems with them, after six years they were removed , and replaced with the Sailuns.
Granted the G614's have improved ,but not for the money they are asking.
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08-07-2018, 05:38 PM
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#130
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Montana Fan
Join Date: Jul 2018
Location: Islip Terrace
Posts: 405
M.O.C. #22165
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First, I have no affiliation with GY,just saying they have a new USA made tire that is proving to be very good. If the sailuns work good thats great, its nice to have a choice, I wish there were more.
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08-07-2018, 05:43 PM
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#131
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Montana Master
Join Date: May 2017
Location: South East NC
Posts: 1,768
M.O.C. #19865
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Renegade1LI
First, I have no affiliation with GY,just saying they have a new USA made tire that is proving to be very good. If the sailuns work good thats great, its nice to have a choice, I wish there were more.
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That new tire is LR E which is if no comparison to the Sailun LR G for most 5ers. Besides the Sailun is proven and less expensive. GY does not make a tire with the rep of Sailun at any price.
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08-07-2018, 06:16 PM
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#132
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Montana Master
Join Date: May 2017
Location: new caney
Posts: 1,050
M.O.C. #19873
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I bought Sailun's and had them installed on my rv by dealer before it left the lot over 4 years ago. I have now had the tires take out 2 of my factory wheels. The tires are obviously tougher than the factory wheels. I have since bought new wheels for the rv hoping the new wheels are just as tough as the tires as the replacement of factory wheels is more costly than the Sailun's. The Sailun's were a good choice 4 years ago and a good choice today.
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08-20-2018, 12:50 PM
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#133
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Seasoned Camper
Join Date: May 2018
Location: Amarillo
Posts: 64
M.O.C. #21742
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Tires again.
Our new, Jan 18,Montana (3560RL) came with Rainier AS, GL285T tires that are G load range and 14 ply. Are they considered an OK tire? so far we only have about 1600 miles on the so I can't judge by road wear.
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08-20-2018, 01:02 PM
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#134
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Montana Master
Join Date: May 2017
Location: South East NC
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M.O.C. #19865
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Quote:
Originally Posted by knapper42
Tires again.
Our new, Jan 18,Montana (3560RL) came with Rainier AS, GL285T tires that are G load range and 14 ply. Are they considered an OK tire? so far we only have about 1600 miles on the so I can't judge by road wear.
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My 5er came new with Rainier tires too. I drove 43 miles from the dealer to the tire shop and had Sailun tires installed. The tire shop gave me $30 each for the 5 Rainier tires. Some said they had good luck with the Rainier but not worth the gamble to me.
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08-20-2018, 04:04 PM
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#135
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Montana Master
Join Date: Jan 2009
Location: Centerville
Posts: 1,350
M.O.C. #9051
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Renegade1LI
First, I have no affiliation with GY,just saying they have a new USA made tire that is proving to be very good. If the sailuns work good thats great, its nice to have a choice, I wish there were more.
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If you are referring to the Goodyear Endurance,they really can't be in this conversation with these heavy Montana fifth wheels, we pretty much need the G rated tires. IMO the G614's are inferior to the Sailun S637's in every way, from price to weight rating ,to dependability.
With the dependability of the Sailuns, its great we have that choice. As far as more choices, well not sure I get that remark. To me its pretty simple we got two Sailun S637 sizes the 235-80-16 @ 4080, and the 235-85-16 @ 4400, two pretty great choices, and that covers pretty much all these heavy fifth wheels. Sure there are heavy fifth wheels that need more weight rating, and Sailun covers some of them with the 17.5
Sure it would be nice if a US manufacturer would make a competitive tire to the Sailun, the Goodyear G614 is sure not.
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08-20-2018, 05:05 PM
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#136
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Montana Master
Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: Grand Rapids
Posts: 1,896
M.O.C. #9561
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This thread started last year...interesting.
As for tires, generally the G614 or the Sailun are considered the tire for Montanas.
But 'G' rated should be the weighted tire.
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08-20-2018, 06:27 PM
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#137
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Seasoned Camper
Join Date: May 2018
Location: Amarillo
Posts: 64
M.O.C. #21742
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I should have ask if anyone has had an actual problem with Rainier G rated 14ply tires.
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08-20-2018, 08:38 PM
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#138
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Montana Master
Join Date: Jan 2009
Location: Centerville
Posts: 1,350
M.O.C. #9051
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Quote:
Originally Posted by mazboy
This thread started last year...interesting.
As for tires, generally the G614 or the Sailun are considered the tire for Montanas.
But 'G' rated should be the weighted tire.
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And it could go on until next year, been some good information. I think the big thing people are starting realize that those Goodyear G614's are not the only choice. I have said it before ,but old habits die hard.
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08-20-2018, 08:47 PM
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#139
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Montana Master
Join Date: Jan 2009
Location: Centerville
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M.O.C. #9051
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Quote:
Originally Posted by CaptnJohn
My 5er came new with Rainier tires too. I drove 43 miles from the dealer to the tire shop and had Sailun tires installed. The tire shop gave me $30 each for the 5 Rainier tires. Some said they had good luck with the Rainier but not worth the gamble to me.
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Have you heard bad things about the Rainer's, they do have the same weight rating as the Sailun 235-80-16 ,4080 @ 110 psi. Just wondering if its another good choice or not.
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08-20-2018, 10:01 PM
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#140
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Montana Master
Join Date: May 2017
Location: South East NC
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M.O.C. #19865
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Quote:
Originally Posted by PSFORD99
Have you heard bad things about the Rainer's, they do have the same weight rating as the Sailun 235-80-16 ,4080 @ 110 psi. Just wondering if its another good choice or not.
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Heard some good and some not so good. Research was not close to Sailun. Was not worth the gamble to me.
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