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Old 04-11-2007, 01:28 PM   #1
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3075RL what tow Vehicle

I am looking at a 3075rl and wonder if any body tows this unit with a 2007 2500hd crew cab S/B with Duramax/Allison. It seems if it is fully loaded it would be way over the pin weight of truck.

Any body towing rig like this with this truck.

My wife wants this trailer I think pin weight and lenght might be a problem.
 
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Old 04-11-2007, 02:14 PM   #2
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I have a 2005 chev silverado 2500 HD with 6.6 turbo diesel and allison. I had a 2955 and have just returned from a round trip to Palm Springs from BC (2400 miles) with my new 3075. The Chev pulls like a dream - plenty of power to spare. The Chev has a gross 5th wheel tow rate of 16,000lbs (wouldn't want to go to the limit though) My 3075 fully loaded is about 12,000lbs and the pin weight about 1800 lbs. Well within limits.
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Old 04-11-2007, 02:16 PM   #3
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We have a 3075 and pull it with a 2006 Ford F-250 4x4. I weighed the Monty, and the pin weight with our stuff in it was 2220 lb. I am within my trucks cargo capacity, but don't have much to spare. If your truck is a 4x2, you have a greater cargo capacity, probably about 2800 which is enough for the 3075. Check the sticker on the door panel for your trucks cargo capacity.
As for the length, yes it is long but after 1 year with ours, I have not hit anything yet.
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Old 04-11-2007, 02:22 PM   #4
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I have the 2500HD and tow the 3400RL. Towing with the 2500HD can be done, but one has to pay attention to the pin weight. Might I suggest the Freighliner M2 SportChassis.... =)
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Old 04-11-2007, 02:39 PM   #5
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Length will not be your problem...

Also, that SB will definitely need a slider hitch.

Sounds like you are researching weights. This is good. You will hear both sides of the dualie vs SWR and 1 ton vs 3/4 tow vehicles.

Buckle your seat belt. You just have to be very aware at all times of all your weights. If you are over in one area, drive accordingly and do what you can to eliminate the weight in that area (pin weight/GVWR/axles, etc). Otherwise, Dave (Montana Sky) has the best suggestion for a tow vehicle... Just bring your wallet and keep it around for fuel and maintenance. No problem anywhere with ANY weight ratings anywhere. Have to forget about that McDonalds drive through, though...
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Old 04-11-2007, 02:53 PM   #6
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I have a 3075& a2004 2500 hd duramax drove 5000 mi not a problem
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Old 04-11-2007, 04:17 PM   #7
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Bob what wheel base do you have is it a SB or a LB on your 2500hd
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Old 04-12-2007, 05:10 AM   #8
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quote:Originally posted by Dennych1

I am looking at a 3075rl and wonder if any body tows this unit with a 2007 2500hd crew cab S/B with Duramax/Allison. It seems if it is fully loaded it would be way over the pin weight of truck.

Any body towing rig like this with this truck.

My wife wants this trailer I think pin weight and lenght might be a problem.
Looks to me like you have broken the code. As usual with this question, we are getting the "pulls fine" answers. Of course it pulls fine...any diesel will 'pull' any Montana fine. Pulling is not an issue. The issue is the ability of the 3/4 to handle the pin weight. The brochure says the empty pw of a 3075 is 2210, a realistic pw for my Montana is 500 more than the empty pw...2710 for you. 2710 is over the GVWR of the majority of 3/4 ton trucks...and that's before you add passengers, cargo, the weight of the hitch, tools, the extra fuel tank people like to add, etc. So the bottom line is that it will pull fine, but you will be over weight...your truck/your money/you'll be in it/you decide.

An earlier poster noted an actual pw if 1800 for a 3075...how can the loaded pw can be 400 LESS than an empty pw??
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Old 04-12-2007, 05:23 AM   #9
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My Montana brochure states the EMPTY on weight of 3075 to be 2210 as well. So, loaded you must be at least in the 2700 to 2800 lb. range. Yes, the 2500 will pull it fine, but I believe you will be over spec weights. The length you will master after a few pulls.
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Old 04-12-2007, 06:10 AM   #10
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OOOPS! - I previously said that the pin weight was around 1800lbs - my mistake - that was with my old 2955. The 3075 pin weight is 2325lbs, however with my 2500HD Duramax crew cab Silverado the manual says it can handle a 5th wheel pin weight of up to 3000lbs, of course you still have to take the gross carrying capacity into account.
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Old 04-12-2007, 06:10 AM   #11
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I have a 3075 and pull it with a 3500 dually. I can't image a better combination. I can add a washer\dryer, fill up the basement, put all kinds of things in the truck and still stay safely below all of the weight limits. The truck pulls and STOPS great; the dually is absolutely stable no matter what the wind or the semis are doing.

What possible advantage could there be to driving a 2500HD? The prices are pretty close and the mileage is pretty close.

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Old 04-12-2007, 06:46 AM   #12
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Denny, I tow a 3400RL that's probably heavier than the 3075 will be and tow it with a 3/4 ton Ford. We have 80,000 on the truck, probably half of that towing all over the country, and the truck has not yet shown any ill effects. It tows well, it stops well, it handles well in all maneuvers including emergencies, it has never felt unstable in any kind of weather, the original tires went 70k miles, the wheel bearings are still original as are the brakes, which have almost half of their life remaining. I added airbags to improve the rear suspension capacity to keep the truck level with our 2,860 lb pinweight with a 14,620 lb trailer (scaled). Yes, we're over the payload and 10,000 lb gvwr. We're under on the 15,400 lb tow rating and 160 lbs over the 23,000 lb GCWR. You will have to decide for yourself whether the "risk" is worth it to you or not. I made my decision and to this day still am comfortable it was a good one. Obviously, others here disagree but with 80k on the Ford I'm very pleased with the performance. You make your own call, however. Check your tire ratings, too. My tires, the OEM tires, are, I think, larger than yours (mine are 17 inch) and have higher ratings than yours, unless you have different tires than I think you do.

All that said, when next in the market I'll buy the one ton single rear wheel. There just is not enough difference in cost to not do that. Then I wouldn't need the airbags to keep things level.
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Old 04-12-2007, 07:29 AM   #13
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OOOPS! - I previously said that the pin weight was around 1800lbs - my mistake - that was with my old 2955. The 3075 pin weight is 2325lbs, however with my 2500HD Duramax crew cab Silverado the manual says it can handle a 5th wheel pin weight of up to 3000lbs, of course you still have to take the gross carrying capacity into account.
IMHO, you have been given some incorrect information. The 3000 to which you are referring is the MAX pin weight a specific 2500HD can handle...which is the 6.0L gasser. Your D/A is 750 lbs heavier than the gasser, and that weight comes off your cargo capacity. Check the Tire and Loading Information sticker on the left rear door, it will give you your maximum cargo capacity to the nearest one pound. You'll be surprised (how low it is) at what you see.
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Old 04-12-2007, 07:49 AM   #14
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Yes, do check that label so you have good information for making your decision. For point of reference, mine says '2,327 lbs.'
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Old 04-12-2007, 10:36 AM   #15
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What the numbers show...

(1) 2500HD Crew with Duramax, Payload 3000, Trailer weight, 13,000 Combined Trailer/Truck weight 22,000 Truck 6,200
(2) 3500DRW Crew with Duramax, Payload 4700,Trailer weight, 13,000 Combined Trailer/Truck weight 23,500 Truck 6,700
(3) 3075 Dry weight 10590, able to carry 3810, pin 2260

So, 2500HD Crew Diesel, 750lbs carrying spare, 2400 Trailer spare, Combined Gross spare 5,200lbs
the 2500HD does the job....
(a) You can add* 750 more lbs to the truck
(b) You can add* 2,400 more lbs in the trailer
(c) the extra pin weight after adding stuff to the trailer must be subtracted from the 750lbs in the truck
(*this is for everything you need to add, people, fuel, clothing, food, etc. )

and 3500DRW, Crew Diesel, 2400lbs carrying spare, 2400 Trailer spare, Combined Gross Spare 6,100lbs
(a) You can add* 2,400 more lbs to the truck
(b) You can still only add* 2,400 more lbs in the trailer (keeping it's total weight under 13,000)
(c) the extra pin weight after adding stuff to the trailer must be subtracted from the 2,400lbs in the truck
(*this is for everything you need to add, people, fuel, clothing, food, etc. )

So, sure the 2500HD will do the job, you just need to watch the extras you carry along (and boy do they add up fast.. you can use up half of that in fuel alone!!) There are plenty of 2500HDs out there pulling and likely a bit over the weight specs allowed by GM. If you are conservative with the extras, drive safely, and keep everything well maintained, a I think you will find your experience to be a good one in the 2500HD as many others are doing out there. Of course, there are plenty of options for beefing up the carrying capacity if that becomes a big issue.

Enjoy, Tim
(I did the above calculations fast, suggest you double check them...
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Old 04-12-2007, 11:40 AM   #16
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After looking at my sticker on the door jam it says may combined load of 2305lbs but when I look at the tires the max load says 3042 why would there be a difference
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Old 04-12-2007, 12:10 PM   #17
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tcorbitt...where did you get the numbers? IMHO they are not correct...
- There is no 2500HD with the D/A that has 3000 cargo capacity, it's impossible. For an explanation, read my previous post.
- For the drw cc D/A, 4700 is way too high. I have that exact truck, drw, D/A, cc, 2wd, my actual payload capacity from the sticker is 4257.

You cannot believe brochures or web sites or the curb weight listed on the manufacturer's statement of origin. Those figures are best case situations and are very deceiving because they very seldom tell you the true information you need for your truck. The ONLY place where you can find the actual carrying capacity for a truck is on the Tire and Loading Information sticker on the left rear door.

On edit...that 3000 figure is put in the brochures and indicates that is the most pw you can put in a 2500HD. What they do not tell you is that weight is for a 6.0L gasser. The other thing they do not tell you is that the gasser has a GCWR of only 16000. The 2500HD D/A can only handle about 2300 of pw, but has a GCWR of 22000. Bottom line, the gasser will carry lots of pw, but can't tow anything; the D/A can't carry much pw, but can tow your house. Go figure.
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Old 04-13-2007, 03:06 AM   #18
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Hi Bert,

Very Interesting indeed, and looks like I am learning something new today, it will be a great day

First, the numbers I referenced are from the on-line brochure
http://www.chevrolet.com/silverado/specifications/

Not having a GM in the driveway, I cannot compare stickers... however from what you are seeing, it sounds like real life weights are way off the published numbers? How can GM get away with this? OK, maybe 3-5% difference, but not huge differences...

I do have a Ford in the driveway to compare.. F350 Single Rears, Crew with Powerstroke,
Published figures (web, brochure) Payload 4,100, 5th Trailer weight, 15,400 Combined Trailer/Truck weight 23,500
Actual vehicle weight from the delivery docs, 7,170lbs, which is within a few pounds of what the scales show.

The stickers on the truck door jam, the original window sticker, and other misc paperwork (tire spec sheet, etc.) show the exact same numbers...plus a few added numbers on the stickers, like front/rear axle GWRs for the exact configuration/option set delivered.

So, I am now very curious, do other Ford owners see consistent sticker ratings with the published documents?
How about Dodge Owners?

I guess if I ordered a GM and then $50K later the truck showed up with stickers showing a significant difference, I would not be a happy camper... nor would the dealer (who would get to keep the truck ). How can you realistically order a truck from spec sheets if the spec sheets are not correct?

Very interesting, Tim
(Nice rig BTW, everytime I see the pics I double-take as my in-laws have the exact same truck/color combo, but not the Monty..yet.. still pulling a H-Rambler..)
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Old 04-13-2007, 10:30 AM   #19
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Tim,

Can't answer your question other than to say GM (not that familiar with the others) publishes the numbers in the brochures, on line, etc, for a best case scenario from their point of view. Thus the cargo rating is for the small gasser, because that lets them honestly put that big cargo capacity number in the document. If they put the cargo capacity of the D/A it would be 750 less because the weight of the engine comes off the cargo capacity. Of course that's very deceiving to us, because to do any serious towing the 6.0L won't work...not enough engine or GCWR.

Here's another confusing issue. When I was researching trucks, I visited a half dozen Chevy/GM dealers as well as Ford and Dodge dealers. All GM 3/4s have GVWR of 9200...Ford/Dodge have lots of GVWRs. Anyway, the GMs were all around 2300 to 2400 in cargo capacity for 4x4, cc, D/A; looked at a 3/4 Ford PSD, 4x4, cc with a GVWR of 10000. What was interesting was that the cargo capacity of the Ford was only 2507 (off the sticker). Bottom line, the Ford was about 700 heavier than the GMs.

As for ordering a truck...you can get good valid information from the above mentioned sources for everything (GVWR, GCWR, max towing, etc) except cargo capacity. For that you have to look at the sticker on the left rear door. If you were going to actually order a truck, you'd have to get that information from a similarly equipped truck.

They certainly do not make this easy!
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Old 04-13-2007, 01:56 PM   #20
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Hard to decide what to buy. I was looking at a Ford 250 and 350 PSD yesterday, since they didn't have the 450 on the lot. My wife liked the 250, I thought maybe a 350 SRW, with Tow Boss, and the salesguy said that they priced out a fully loaded 450 at 62-64K, and would be more than happy to deal to lower the price. For 64K I figured maybe a Freightliner M2, but for 100K why not buy a real tractor. Back to reality my 2500 DA works great with my current 3000RK, but I think we will start seriousily dealing on a F350 SRW, providing they get the tailpipe fire situation under control with 6.4l. I am also going to go with a shortbed with a superglide hitch. (Eventhough I always encourage people to go with a longbed). I would get the Chevy but I just can't handle that huge chrome bumper. I am preparing to move up to a 3400 Tana at the end of next year. (At the moment we are under a very severe tornado watch, so it may be wishful thinking all for naught, county over is getting 70mph winds so hwo knows).
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