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Old 12-29-2010, 12:56 AM   #1
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2011 Ford HP and Torque Upgrade

Saw in the 2011 January TL Magazine that Ford increased the output of the 2011 6.7 Power Stroke to 400 HP and 800 lb-ft of torque. Requires the early 2011 models to have the PCM upgraded. Per TL article - this is the most powerful production diesel ever installed in a pickup.
 
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Old 12-29-2010, 02:34 AM   #2
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Ford increased both when Chevy came out with their new D'max with 397 HP and 767?? TK. Ford couldn't allow Chevy's old Dmax to have more power than their new PSD, I mean they only had 390 HP. Its a war
a horse power war. I think it's about over until 2012 when Chevy upgrades their Allison transmission. The Allison can't handle much more power it has now. Fords 6R140, like the name implies was designed to handle 1400 pound feet of TK. So after 2012 they should be back in full HP battle mode again.
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Old 12-29-2010, 02:46 AM   #3
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In prior years the Ford F450 was "governed" to a lower HP/Torque figure (for whatever reason)...the engine had the higher HP and torque, you just were not able to use it in the F450. Similarly, the new power stroke obviously had the higher figures to begin with...I suspect that in an effort to deal with the copy cats/one upmans (if that is a word), Ford had planned this move all along. In the end, it does not seem to matter what is fact, because each of the big three will continue to claim biggest/best. For those of us who buy trucks for their ability to work, it does not matter what the boasts are...what matters is whether or not the truck can do what we want it to do. For me, it is to safely pull my fifth wheel...not how fast or how "soft" the ride is...leave that foolishness to cars.
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Old 12-29-2010, 03:05 AM   #4
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luckily, I haver never used up all the HP available in any tow vehicle I have owned (Ford and Ram) and never had the desire/need to chip. I did get the Ford flash to 400 HP though.
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Old 12-29-2010, 04:28 AM   #5
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Only more HPhttp://news.pickuptrucks.com/2010/09/rocky-mountain-power-test-2011-gmc-sierra-denali-3500hd-and-2011-ford-f-450-king-ranch.html only more hp and torque on paper not at the wheels.
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Old 12-29-2010, 05:07 AM   #6
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Oh but I love that low end rpm torque and horsepower on the Ford 6.7.
It is interesting as to how many of these tests that are done and how many different results are attained. Time will tell with that Ford 6.7. It still needs another year to see how it performs after the miles pile up on it by the boys that pulling in the toughest conditions and most severe weather/ road applications.
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Old 12-29-2010, 06:46 AM   #7
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I've drove both the Ford and the Chevy. They are both great trucks. They are much quieter and smother than our trucks but they don't have near the power that we are used to.
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Old 12-29-2010, 10:42 AM   #8
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In prior years the Ford F450 was "governed" to a lower HP/Torque figure (for whatever reason)...the engine had the higher HP and torque, you just were not able to use it in the F450. Similarly, the new power stroke obviously had the higher figures to begin with...I suspect that in an effort to deal with the copy cats/one upmans (if that is a word), Ford had planned this move all along. In the end, it does not seem to matter what is fact, because each of the big three will continue to claim biggest/best. For those of us who buy trucks for their ability to work, it does not matter what the boasts are...what matters is whether or not the truck can do what we want it to do. For me, it is to safely pull my fifth wheel...not how fast or how "soft" the ride is...leave that foolishness to cars.
Ford only detuned the Hp/Torque in the 2008 - 2010 F450 with the 4.88 rear gear. The 4.10 gear F450's had the full rated engine power.
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In prior years the Ford F450 was "governed" to a lower HP/Torque figure (for whatever reason)...the engine had the higher HP and torque, you just were not able to use it in the F450. Similarly, the new power stroke obviously had the higher figures to begin with...I suspect that in an effort to deal with the copy cats/one upmans (if that is a word), Ford had planned this move all along. In the end, it does not seem to matter what is fact, because each of the big three will continue to claim biggest/best. For those of us who buy trucks for their ability to work, it does not matter what the boasts are...what matters is whether or not the truck can do what we want it to do. For me, it is to safely pull my fifth wheel...not how fast or how "soft" the ride is...leave that foolishness to cars.
Ford only detuned the Hp/Torque in the 2008 - 2010 F450 with the 4.88 rear gear. The 4.10 gear F450's had the full rated engine power.
Exactly....
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Old 12-29-2010, 02:56 PM   #10
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And, this may all be a moot point, if we can't afford to drive the rigs. The news is full of statements from oil companies that prices of fuel will hit $5.00 a gallon...again.....by the end of 2012. In Oregon, it's going up by at least 6 cents the first of the year because of a new tax.

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Old 12-29-2010, 04:13 PM   #11
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Yeah, we may be where there is a repeat of 1973 over again where fuel shortages are created to increase pricing. Parallel this with severe emissions standards on diesel engines that glup that liquid to attain both efficency and horsepower will likely drive the extra cost of a diesel engine up so high that the gasoline engine will be the only alternative for towing. We will have to see if technology will continue to do its part over the next 5 to 10 years. Who would have thought that diesel would cost more per gallon than gasoline at the pumps today?
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I think T Boone Pickings was wright when he said to enjoy these cheep prices because they would not stay that way for long. He didn't become a billionaire in the oil industry not knowing whats going on.
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Yeah, we may be where there is a repeat of 1973 over again where fuel shortages are created to increase pricing. Parallel this with severe emissions standards on diesel engines that glup that liquid to attain both efficency and horsepower will likely drive the extra cost of a diesel engine up so high that the gasoline engine will be the only alternative for towing. We will have to see if technology will continue to do its part over the next 5 to 10 years. Who would have thought that diesel would cost more per gallon than gasoline at the pumps today?
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Old 12-30-2010, 07:38 AM   #14
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I put a hitch on my bike but it is way too slow.
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Old 12-30-2010, 07:58 AM   #15
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hp and torque are great.but they should be working on mileage.us and canada still want the big trucks.not the small cars.mileage has to be #1.all these trucks have enough hp an torque.
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Oh the EPA is working on fuel mileage. They have done one heck of a job reducing fuel mileage. They've got to have some reason to justify their jobs.
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Old 01-02-2011, 04:46 AM   #17
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We bought a 2011 GMC 3500 Duramax with the Allison tranny back in August of 2010.
We are currently down in Yuma, AZ and pulled our 2007 Monty 2955 RL down.
The race between the big 3 truck manufacturers is crazy. Enough with the HP and torque
rack, like one writer said, how about more economy. If we hit another fuel crisis in North America none of us are going to be able to tow our fifths with a vehicle with an electric motor.
Before I bought my first duramax I researched with transmission shops at home, and asked what was the truck/tranny combo that they saw the LEAST of. Three different shops all said the same thing, the duramax/allison. Allison has been using their transmissions in class A motor homes and semi's for years, they are virtually indestructible. I know there is a lot of friendly banter back and forth about which truck is best. All of us love our own trucks, and will stick with a certain brand through thick and thin. I know a Ford and Dodge owner back home that have had their transmission rebuilt 3 times, but they still love their trucks.
Our tow vehicle has just 4,500 miles on it, and on the flatlands on the way down, we got 15 miles to the gallon, that is the Canadian gallon. Hopefully when the engine is broken in, that should get higher.
There were rumours floating around that GM was going to offer a new chip for 2011 duramax trucks to up the hp and torque closer to or maybe even past that of the update
given to Ford. I say, who the heck needs it. I wouldn't want it. Our truck will safely tow
up to 17,700 lbs, and our Monty weighs in at 12,000 lbs. I will leave our truck stock
all the way. At 72 years of age, I don't need to go around the campgrounds strutting and
telling people that "mine is bigger and better than yours".
Best wishes for a healthy and prosperous 2011, and may you all enjoy many safe and happy miles with your rigs, whatever they may be.
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Old 01-03-2011, 08:12 AM   #18
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Hmmmm....me think you are partial to GMC?
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It's good that we have our individual preference in trucks...hopefully this will keep the truck manufacturers honest, or at least competitive with one another. If that is so, we consumers are the winners, no matter what brand we drive.
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It's good that we have our individual preference in trucks...hopefully this will keep the truck manufacturers honest, or at least competitive with one another. If that is so, we consumers are the winners, no matter what brand we drive.
I agree wholeheartedly! I think the competition between the "Big 3" insures we will have the best truck possible, whichever one you think that is. I have owned all three in my lifetime and all three were great trucks. Let the manufacturers continue to produce the best they can. I do think this HP and Torque race is just an advertising thing.
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