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05-25-2013, 01:53 PM
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Montana Fan
Join Date: Jun 2012
Location: La Center
Posts: 107
M.O.C. #12628
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Baggage Door Hinge
My 2012 Montana Mountaineer has the Baggage Slam doors which are very nice from the earlier models and one of the hinges is working loose and now some of the many screws won't tighten up. Anyone else have this problem. IM thinking replace the screws with the next size up plus add a little wood glue? Warranty is up in couple of weeks and this is probably what the dealer will do? Anyone with previous experience with the newer style doors and hinges working loose?
Thanks
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05-25-2013, 02:24 PM
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Montana Master
Join Date: Apr 2013
Location: Arroyo City
Posts: 3,110
M.O.C. #13395
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I haven't had that problem with my Monty, but My Winnebagos did. I put J-B weld in the holes, solved the problem on them
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05-25-2013, 02:31 PM
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Site Team
Join Date: Oct 2005
Location: Carmichael - CA
Posts: 7,370
M.O.C. #4831
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Do you really mean "hinges" or are you referring to the mounting plates for the struts? If it is hinges, I got nothing. If it is the mounting plates, welcome to the club. Screws coming loose are a very common problem. Larger screws will make bigger holes when they too pull loose. The door walls as very thin and the sheet metal screws they use will pull loose due to the power of the struts.
You can search here for some of the things other members have tried. Keystone tried adhesive behind the plates on the door side of mine. Those came loose. On the ODS they used pop rivets (as near as I can tell) and those are holding. The dealer re-did the DS door with dowels glued to the inside and then screws into the dowels. That seems to be working for now.
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There is more to life than fuel mileage.
2012 Montana 3700RL Big Sky Package towed by a 2015 Ford F350 6.7L PSD 4WD CC LWB
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05-25-2013, 02:38 PM
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Montana Master
Join Date: Jul 2006
Location: K.C.
Posts: 11,731
M.O.C. #5980
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Quote:
quote:Originally posted by F3fifty
My 2012 Montana Mountaineer has the Baggage Slam doors which are very nice from the earlier models and one of the hinges is working loose and now some of the many screws won't tighten up. Anyone else have this problem. IM thinking replace the screws with the next size up plus add a little wood glue? Warranty is up in couple of weeks and this is probably what the dealer will do? Anyone with previous experience with the newer style doors and hinges working loose?
Thanks
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I would use the same size screws, but use toothpicks and the wood glue you were thinking about.
Good luck.
Ozz
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05-25-2013, 04:36 PM
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Site Team
Join Date: Jun 2011
Location: Wilsey
Posts: 18,799
M.O.C. #11455
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Wooden matches work well with the wood glue also.
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2017 3720 RL, and 2013 HC 343RL
Pullrite Hitch, IS, Disk Brakes, 3rd AC, Winegard Traveler, Bathroom door mod, Dometic 320, couch for desk swap, replaced chairs, sun screens, added awnings, etc.
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05-25-2013, 05:29 PM
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Montana Fan
Join Date: Jun 2012
Location: La Center
Posts: 107
M.O.C. #12628
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Quote:
quote:Originally posted by Carl n Susan
Do you really mean "hinges" or are you referring to the mounting plates for the struts? If it is hinges, I got nothing. If it is the mounting plates, welcome to the club. Screws coming loose are a very common problem. Larger screws will make bigger holes when they too pull loose. The door walls as very thin and the sheet metal screws they use will pull loose due to the power of the struts.
You can search here for some of the things other members have tried. Keystone tried adhesive behind the plates on the door side of mine. Those came loose. On the ODS they used pop rivets (as near as I can tell) and those are holding. The dealer re-did the DS door with dowels glued to the inside and then screws into the dowels. That seems to be working for now.
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Correct the mounting plate is coming loose and the screws can't be tightened. Your ideas are appreciated. thank you. Guess it's not a rare occurrence to see the plates working loose. Keystone sure puts enough screws in the plate and it still doesn't hold well.
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05-26-2013, 01:28 AM
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Montana Master
Join Date: Aug 2004
Location: Cedar Rapids
Posts: 4,876
M.O.C. #1944
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Quote:
quote:Originally posted by DQDick
Wooden matches work well with the wood glue also.
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Also, the old fix of toothpicks jammed in the screw hole with Elmer's glue works well. That's what I have done over the years with our RVs.
Orv
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05-26-2013, 02:04 AM
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Montana Fan
Join Date: Mar 2010
Location: West Sand Lake
Posts: 267
M.O.C. #10232
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Just a question, if you take the strut off, will the door swing all the way up against the side wall like the older ones? If so, I think I would trash the strut and put a chrome latch on the side to hold the door open. Problem solved. JMO
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05-26-2013, 03:16 AM
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Montana Master
Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: North Ridgeville
Posts: 20,229
M.O.C. #2839
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yes we have this problem with our 2013 3402 big Sky and have asked the service center for a fix. here is their E mail
Hello Mr. LaScola,
This is the feedback from our technician on the baggage door:
I recommend dealers install a piece of diamond plate behind where the strut attaches to.
If the door issue is presented through Country RV, this is the repair our tech department would recommend.
Regards,
Robyne Hakes
RVIA Certified Technician
Keystone Customer Relations
866-425-4369
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05-26-2013, 03:43 AM
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Site Team
Join Date: Jun 2011
Location: Wilsey
Posts: 18,799
M.O.C. #11455
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Since this has been a problem ever since they started putting those struts on, why isn't the diamond plate there from the factory?
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2017 3720 RL, and 2013 HC 343RL
Pullrite Hitch, IS, Disk Brakes, 3rd AC, Winegard Traveler, Bathroom door mod, Dometic 320, couch for desk swap, replaced chairs, sun screens, added awnings, etc.
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05-26-2013, 04:16 AM
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Montana Master
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: YUMA
Posts: 861
M.O.C. #2625
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Quote:
quote:Originally posted by DQDick
Since this has been a problem ever since they started putting those struts on, why isn't the diamond plate there from the factory?
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Money and common sense
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05-26-2013, 04:19 AM
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Montana Fan
Join Date: Mar 2013
Location: Healdsburg
Posts: 273
M.O.C. #13339
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Prolly cuz every 10 cents you add to the mfg of the rv translates into 10 dollars in the final product. Trying to meet a price point with cut corners. I was aghast reading the thread about the flex frame issues on the front end. Cost of quality gusseting and weight issues give way to the almighty bean counters that make the ultimate decisions. Course, that happens in everything.. including our pullers.
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05-26-2013, 06:32 AM
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Montana Fan
Join Date: Mar 2011
Location: BEND
Posts: 350
M.O.C. #11243
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We had the same issue within weeks of delivery. Luckily they pulled out right on the dealers lot. First issue was they installed struts that were too heavy - so they replaced them. Then they put metal plates and reattached the struts with rivets and not screws and we have not had an issue since.
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05-26-2013, 08:18 AM
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Montana Master
Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: North Ridgeville
Posts: 20,229
M.O.C. #2839
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Quote:
quote:Originally posted by DQDick
Since this has been a problem ever since they started putting those struts on, why isn't the diamond plate there from the factory?
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The conversation with the service center started out with " we have never heard of that problem." I could not get it repaired at a dealer if it was a problem Keystone never heard of. Now they heard of it and suggest a fix. When it is confirmed that he dealer knows of the fix and has the materials and knowledge to do the fix we will take it in to be repaired. We are closing in on the problem and fix. This is stupid.....
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05-26-2013, 12:53 PM
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Montana Master
Join Date: Jun 2010
Location: Colorado Springs
Posts: 3,335
M.O.C. #10496
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I've used this method with a lot of success.
Quote:
quote:Originally posted by Ozz
I would use the same size screws, but use toothpicks and the wood glue you were thinking about.
Good luck.
Ozz
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05-26-2013, 06:44 PM
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Montana Master
Join Date: Dec 2005
Location: Eugene
Posts: 1,053
M.O.C. #5091
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Isn't it a shame we have to use "toothpicks and glue" to fix these very expensive trailers? Its a good thing there are so many enginous people on this forum that can save us money and time to fix their sloppy workmanship.
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05-27-2013, 02:49 AM
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Montana Master
Join Date: Feb 2012
Location: Beaufort
Posts: 545
M.O.C. #12221
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Quote:
quote:Originally posted by richfaa
I recommend dealers install a piece of diamond plate behind where the strut attaches to.
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What does she mean by " behind where the strut attaches to"?
That could be interpreted a couple of ways.
On the inside of the door between the strut and the door (adding more beef to attach to)? I know people have done this with larger plates, epoxy, and more screws... Then attached the strut to that plate.
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On the outside of the door? An easier, (but possibly more unsightly) fix?
I've contemplated doing the latter with some 1/8" polished stainless plate.
What i did was to move my strut down 1/2" and carefully torque the screws. Holding fine so far but these doors have so little to bite into that all bets are off.
Has anyone had the factory "fix" made? Would love to see some pictures.
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05-27-2013, 07:36 AM
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Montana Fan
Join Date: Jun 2012
Location: La Center
Posts: 107
M.O.C. #12628
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To all, very good information and thanks for sharing. I didn't realize when I posted the problem that the mounting plate for the baggage doors was a weak point and many others have had base plate mounting issues. The door plate that has worked loose with screws that won't hold hasn't been opened and closed no more than a dozen times. Warranty is off next week and I'll be in Grand Teton NTL Park. IM going to eventually fix it myself so it will stay fixed. When I purchased this 5ver a plus was the Baggage style slam doors and I never thought this upgrade would be a point of concern. Doesn't show well for Keystone's design and craftsmanship in my opinion. Any more ideas please post and thanks for sharing your thoughts and fixes.
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05-27-2013, 07:54 AM
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Montana Master
Join Date: Feb 2010
Location: Shipman
Posts: 552
M.O.C. #10136
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One of my hinges kept doing the same thing...remounted the plate about a 1/2 inch lower on the door...works and holds just fine....plate mounted to high on door was always under pressure by the cylinder...
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05-27-2013, 10:30 AM
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Montana Master
Join Date: Mar 2012
Location: Davison
Posts: 786
M.O.C. #12331
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We had the same issue Vern. I fixed it myself by using #12 screws instead of the ones supplied. Drill the holes in the plate slightly larger to accommodate the larger screws. DO NOT ENLARGE THE HOLES IN THE DOOR. I've had no problem since. I tried epoxy as well-it broke loose. If you look closely at the original screws, there is very little thread to grip the fiberglass panel. It's been over a year since I repaired ours on both sides.
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