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Old 11-14-2019, 04:35 PM   #41
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Well in that case ,lets discuss the best truck. Is there a reason someone can come up with that the Cummins is not the best motor out there, forget the truck, the best motor.
The engine is only one part of the truck. I have had one dodge (97 diesel). Cummings are great engines. But Everything else on them seam to self destruct. Rebuilt the trans 2 x, That was enough for me. I have had 4 Duramax's since.
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The engine is only one part of the truck. I have had one dodge (97 diesel). Cummings are great engines. But Everything else on them seam to self destruct. Rebuilt the trans 2 x, That was enough for me. I have had 4 Duramax's since.
Historically I have to agree. I went from a Ford to a RAM and had to consider these things before buying. The newer RAMs aren't your grandpa's Dodge. They've made a big difference in their build quality from what I've seen. Time will tell but starting in 2010 they just seem to be tighter. The newer trannys are also much better. I bought one so I'm banking on it.
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The engine is only one part of the truck. I have had one dodge (97 diesel). Cummings are great engines. But Everything else on them seam to self destruct. Rebuilt the trans 2 x, That was enough for me. I have had 4 Duramax's since.

This is 2019, not 1997. Yes the dodge trucks were notorious for bad transmissions, those days are gone . Remember the GM diesels, we could go on all day what use to be . Duramax is a great motor ,and proven ,just like the Cummins.
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Well in that case ,lets discuss the best truck. Is there a reason someone can come up with that the Cummins is not the best motor out there, forget the truck, the best motor. [/QUOTE


Why? What makes it the best engine?

I asked the question, its your turn to tell me WHY it isn't . Is there a reason why we cannot say its the best
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The Cummings is a great engine. They just started using compacted graphite iron blocks in their 1000 pound feet of torque engines just like Ford has always used in their 6.7 engines.
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They are a great engine, so now does it mean they are even better . I drank the blue koolaid with the 7.3, great truck, just not enough power for the bigger fifth wheels .

The 6.7 Powerstroke were never as dependable as the Cummins. The CP4 HPFP in the 6.7 was ,and still can be their achilles heel. It troubles me know that the Cummins went to the same HPFP. Time will tell .
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This is 2019, not 1997. Yes the dodge trucks were notorious for bad transmissions, those days are gone . Remember the GM diesels, we could go on all day what use to be . Duramax is a great motor ,and proven ,just like the Cummins.
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I asked the question, its your turn to tell me WHY it isn't . Is there a reason why we cannot say its the best

Way too subjective. You're right, it isn't 1997. The big 3 have all stepped up their game to the point where it's a difficult contest. The best truck is the one that gets you there consistently and safely and has the features you prefer (and can afford).

It's like the old question, "Which is the best camera". And the answer is, "the one you have with you".

For 13 years I had a 2000 Ford diesel and I really liked it. Before that I had a 1996 Chevy diesel and I hated it (we all know why)...but that was then. Now I have a RAM and really like it. It does what I need it to do. It's also the one I have and I'm not looking to spend more $$$ to get another one. So for me, today, my RAM is the best truck.
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Way too subjective. You're right, it isn't 1997. The big 3 have all stepped up their game to the point where it's a difficult contest. The best truck is the one that gets you there consistently and safely and has the features you prefer (and can afford).

It's like the old question, "Which is the best camera". And the answer is, "the one you have with you".

I have a RAM and really like it. It does what I need it to do. It's also the one I have and I'm not looking to spend more $$$ to get another one. So for me, today, my RAM is the best truck.
If you will go back ,and read my original post. I said the best motor , forget the truck . I should of left off the best truck .
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If you will go back ,and read my original post. I said the best motor , forget the truck . I should of left off the best truck .
I still think it's the same answer. Unless someone can come up with actual stats of number of diesel units purchased in the past 7 years, and get an actual number of motor failures per brand and graph the results it's kind of moot. A lot of folks are also brand loyal for various reasons. Overall, difficult to quantify.

I can render an opinion as to the best motor, but unless it's backed by real stats it's just my opinion.
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They are a great engine, so now does it mean they are even better . I drank the blue koolaid with the 7.3, great truck, just not enough power for the bigger fifth wheels .

The 6.7 Powerstroke were never as dependable as the Cummins. The CP4 HPFP in the 6.7 was ,and still can be their achilles heel. It troubles me know that the Cummins went to the same HPFP. Time will tell .

Do a Google search for compacted graphite iron and you will see why it is a better material to make an engine block. To sum up what you will find, itís much stronger and wear resistance than cast iron. It makes a quieter and has less vibrations than cast iron. Itís just better.

So donít everybody use it? Simple, itís much much harder to Machine. Just in the last few years has the tooling and machines been developed to machine it on a production basis. I have a friend who sells machine tools to machine engines. He told me about GGI 30 years ago. At that time a cutter would only bore one cylinder and then it had to be replaced. Since then new grades of carbide and more important new carbide coatings have been developed so it can be machined. Even then speeds and feeds are much slower than cast iron.

As the automotive companyís new engines more will go to CGI. Already the Cummings 6.7 the 3L Diesel Fords 6.7 and 2.7 Ecoboost, tractor trailer engines and others are GGI.
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