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11-03-2019, 07:51 PM
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Site Team
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Location: Wilsey
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M.O.C. #11455
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Reason to occasionally check the torque on thos lug nuts.
This rig pulled in next to us last night. The lug nuts loosened and then the wheel sliced the studs off and the wheel left the rig but not without doing substantual damage to the bottom and side of the slide.
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Dick, Joyce, Diego, Picatso and Gustav
2017 3720 RL, and 2013 HC 343RL
Pullrite Hitch, IS, Disk Brakes, 3rd AC, Winegard Traveler, Bathroom door mod, Dometic 320, couch for desk swap, replaced chairs, sun screens, added awnings, etc.
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11-04-2019, 06:05 AM
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Montana Master
Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: San Antonio
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X2 on checking torque on lug nuts! The prior to departure walk around might have caught this if the lug nuts did not look fully seated but a check with your torque wrench sure would. Wonder if that RVer had TPMS? Also--you really do need a good torque wrench.
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11-04-2019, 06:21 AM
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Montana Fan
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Location: Livermore
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I usually torque mine at the start of my travels than once again at the first stop. After that if wheels are ok than I don't bother with it again till the next year. They say that if you remove a aluminum wheel than you need to re tighten them after 50 miles.
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11-04-2019, 07:09 AM
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Montana Fan
Join Date: Oct 2017
Location: Fulton
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Yep it happens, lost a boat trailer tire on the first trip out brand new. Same thing sheared the studs.
Nothing like seeing your tire and wheel bouncing down the ditch in front of you!
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Wayne & Malinda
2018 Montana 3731FL
MORryde IS/DiscBrakes
2017 F450 DRW KR 4x4
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11-04-2019, 07:24 AM
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Montana Master
Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: Grand Rapids
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M.O.C. #9561
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Lost 2 a few years ago. I never checked the lug nuts.... well, I learned the hard way. thank god for insurance.
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11-04-2019, 08:13 AM
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Montana Master
Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: San Antonio
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M.O.C. #5165
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As recommended by Keystone, when removing and re-installing an aluminum wheel. Tighten the lug nuts to the specs, drive 10-15 miles and re-tighten (I have always gotten some tightening at this point), drive 20-25 miles more repeat the tightening (Again, I have usually gotten a little more seating), and drive 50-60 miles more for final tightening ( I usually don't get anything at this point). The wheels will be seated--have a great trip!
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F-250 King Ranch Crew Cab 2012, Single Wheel, 6.7 L Diesel, Transfer Flow Internal 50 Gallon Fuel Tank, Upgraded Ford Software for 50 Gallon tank, 2006 3475Rl with Mor-ryde King Pin, 2nd AC, 2nd Battery, Pressure Pro TPMS, Wet Bolt Shackle Kit
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11-04-2019, 10:23 AM
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Montana Master
Join Date: Sep 2013
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Carry two torque wrenches and the only impact tool used on my wheels was when my I.S. system was installed and morryde did final tightening by torque wrench. I finger tighten nuts before using the torque wrench and have never seen a lug nut needing any tightening when checked after roughly 50 miles. I still do checks though.
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11-10-2019, 02:34 PM
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Montana Fan
Join Date: Apr 2016
Location: Medford
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I’m a little skeptical. Although I don’t question reasonable precautions, properly installed and torqued lug nuts shouldn’t come loose under normal circumstances. By properly installed and torqued, I mean in stages, and in a cross-pattern (not sequential). The threads should be clean, and I use anti-seize in case I might ever want to take the wheels off later. Also I don’t trust others to torque my wheels. By “normal circumstances“ I mean not severely over-heated.
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11-10-2019, 02:54 PM
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Montana Fan
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Location: Richmond, TX
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Besides the initial torquing and at 100 miles, I check about every 2-3 months of use. I usually find a few that need a little tightening. I always check when I take the camper out of storage before a trip.
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2012 Keystone Montana 3150RL 5th Wheel
2012 Ford F350 Diesel 4x4 Lariat Crewcab SRW
6.7L V-8 diesel, 6-sp automatic, 3.55 axle ratio
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11-10-2019, 05:48 PM
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Established Member
Join Date: Oct 2017
Location: Sanger
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M.O.C. #20773
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Quote:
Originally Posted by timandsusan
X2 on checking torque on lug nuts! The prior to departure walk around might have caught this if the lug nuts did not look fully seated but a check with your torque wrench sure would. Wonder if that RVer had TPMS? Also--you really do need a good torque wrench.
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Harbor Fright, cheap but not needed much, close enough
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11-10-2019, 06:28 PM
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Montana Fan
Join Date: Jun 2019
Location: new river
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how many found pounds should the lugnuts be torqued at?
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11-10-2019, 06:29 PM
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Montana Master
Join Date: Oct 2012
Location: Box Elder
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About six years ago we were in a park in southern Wisconsin and I was working my way around the rig checking lug nut torque. The neighbor next to us was dumbfounded that I was doing this and said I should never have to do this. After pointing to the sticker above the fender I showed him how much movement I got tightening lug nuts. Not sure if he was convinced but he was educated. He also had aluminum wheels so would have the same issues. Not sure steel wheels are subject to loosening like with aluminum.
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2012 3402RL
2012 Chevy 2500HD D/A CC 4WD
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11-10-2019, 08:32 PM
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Seasoned Camper
Join Date: Sep 2019
Location: Port Orchard
Posts: 58
M.O.C. #25024
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Double axle torque on lug nuts
I check mine before heading out. Whenever you tow or park your rig, your trailer tires do not turn, they slide. With dual or triple axles, this causes the wheel to be under a lot of stress which ultimately transfers to the weakest link, the studs and lug nuts. I also check the tire pressures as the tires are load rated dependent on having the correct pressure. An ounce of prevention....
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11-10-2019, 09:34 PM
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Montana Fan
Join Date: Apr 2016
Location: Medford
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M.O.C. #18546
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Interestingly, a few days ago I saw a guy pull into the overflow parking lot at the RV Park we are staying at. He had a large 20 ft cargo trailer that was obviously over-loaded (the front wheels of his truck were nearly off the ground!). His trailer only had 3 wheels, the fourth one lost along the way.
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11-11-2019, 07:33 AM
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M.O.C. #20773
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Ahdmeyer
how many found pounds should the lugnuts be torqued at?
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I use 120 foot pounds, for aluminum wheels. Over torque ding can cause studs to break under side load
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11-11-2019, 09:50 AM
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Montana Master
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M.O.C. #13740
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And torqued in 30% stages, ie, 40, 80, 120# steps.
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11-12-2019, 01:53 PM
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Established Member
Join Date: Sep 2017
Location: Evansville
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M.O.C. #20493
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I check mine before each trip. Only takes 5 minutes. Torque to 110 lb-ft.
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Evansville, IN
2021 Montana 3781RL
2016 Ford F-350 6.7L Diesel 4x4 DRW
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11-23-2019, 02:08 PM
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Montana Master
Join Date: Jun 2017
Location: Northern Illinois
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M.O.C. #19994
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before every trip, tire pressure and torque, first rest area, torque check. then once a week, pressure and torque.
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11-23-2019, 03:14 PM
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Montana Fan
Join Date: Apr 2016
Location: Medford
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M.O.C. #18546
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The more I read about this, the more I believe it is a CYA measure devised by the tire dealers. They all say something to the effect of “return in 100 miles for re-torquing your wheels”. Thus relieving them of the liability if a wheel falls off.
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11-23-2019, 06:39 PM
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Site Team
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Location: Wilsey
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M.O.C. #11455
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It's not a scam, it's a real thing with aluminum trailer tires. If you're not experiencing it, when tires are taken off and remounted, you may have another equally serious problem. Tire dealers over torquing the lug nuts.
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Dick, Joyce, Diego, Picatso and Gustav
2017 3720 RL, and 2013 HC 343RL
Pullrite Hitch, IS, Disk Brakes, 3rd AC, Winegard Traveler, Bathroom door mod, Dometic 320, couch for desk swap, replaced chairs, sun screens, added awnings, etc.
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