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Old 01-11-2019, 04:13 PM   #21
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Those aren't the only figures to watch. You're tongue weight may be more than the tires on a SRW are rated to carry.
True. Pulling is not the problem, carrying the pin weight and everything else will likely put you well over the GVWR of an F250.
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Old 01-11-2019, 04:28 PM   #22
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The reason for the higher gear ratio is the additional torque the new 6.7 develops. No need to re-gear
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Old 01-13-2019, 02:13 PM   #23
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Just hope that you never have to file a insurance claim for a accident while you are towing your montana. You are way over what is recommended for weight capacity of your truck, and your insurance co can deny any claim you submit.
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Old 01-13-2019, 02:21 PM   #24
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Congrats on your purchase! We bought the same unit last April and enjoy it.
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Old 01-13-2019, 02:33 PM   #25
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Your truck is a work horse

Your truck is a work horse as it was designed to be. I have a 2017 F250 2WD and I pull a 2019 Montana 3721. The only mod I have made to the truck is to add air bag load levelers. Been using this setup for two years and have power to spare on mountains, no tire or rear end problems. Get it weighed and look at the facts you are working with - then decide if anything needs to be moved or removed. If necessary put a tray on the rear and load anything heavy (within the tray rating) there. It will also offset hitch weight.
My basic rule is one word, "Simplify"the load. If you didn't use it last season don't take it now, with the exception of tools, but not enough to overhaul your truck. Be realistic. Same rule inside the trailer until the boss says no. You'll stop better and save fuel too. Remember to include the weight of an extra fuel tank and two full tanks.
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Just hope that you never have to file a insurance claim for a accident while you are towing your montana. You are way over what is recommended for weight capacity of your truck, and your insurance co can deny any claim you submit.
You need to check with your insurance company. I did Allstate assures me if you are overweight you are covered. Iím not over weight but I just wonted to find out because this comes up so often.
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Old 01-13-2019, 02:55 PM   #27
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I just purchased a 3730FL with a weight of 13328 and GVWR of 16670. I tow with a 2017 F250 diesel and a gear ratio of 3.31 which is rated at 14,700 lbs. I can re-ratio my axle to 3.73 and I'm curious to know if anyone has done this? Any advice will be greatly appreciated.
Your trailer has a GVWR of 16670, it is 2,000lbs over your limit. The dry weight is your trailer totally empty. Nobody travels without propane, food, clothes, sewer and water hoses etc. The difference between the dry and the GVWR is just to show how much cargo you can haul.
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Old 01-13-2019, 03:07 PM   #28
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And here I worry about being overloaded with our Ď18 F-350 Diesel 4x4 SRW if I max out the GVWR (16,300#) of our Ď19 Montana 3121RL!! 🤪
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Old 01-13-2019, 03:36 PM   #29
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I am sure your over on payload too, and F250 at best may have a payload of 2300, we went with an F350 and mine is 3703 with SRW, however we have a 2018 3121RL Montana, pin is 2385, dry weight 11985, after loading at the cat scales my weight on front axle is 5200 front Max is 6000, rear is 5800 and my max is 7000, I have the 3.55 gears so I don’t think even getting your truck decertified will get you where you need to be unfortunately.

Will a Diesel pull about anything, yes it will, can your truck stop an overloaded trailer, most likely. If you ever get in an accident and they look at your weights and capacities and see you are clearly overloaded, that may represent a whole bigger issue. I am now looking at Dually’s just to have more wiggle room but I am well within my trucks legal capacity and far from overloaded, just be safe.
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I just purchased a 3730FL with a weight of 13328 and GVWR of 16670. I tow with a 2017 F250 diesel and a gear ratio of 3.31 which is rated at 14,700 lbs. I can re-ratio my axle to 3.73 and I'm curious to know if anyone has done this? Any advice will be greatly appreciated.
That truck has so much power, it should Handel that load very well

I have a 2016 F-350 with 3:55, it plays with my 15,000 pound 5 wheel, power to spare
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Old 01-13-2019, 04:17 PM   #31
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I tow with a f250 diesel. My last 5er was an Alpha Gold 14,000 lbs. had to keep my foot off the gas, up hill. My Monty is light compared to the Alpha. Beef up the tires and give it some test runs
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Old 01-13-2019, 07:35 PM   #32
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Will a Diesel pull about anything, yes it will, can your truck stop an overloaded trailer, most likely. If you ever get in an accident and they look at your weights and capacities and see you are clearly overloaded, that may represent a whole bigger issue. I am now looking at Dually’s just to have more wiggle room but I am well within my trucks legal capacity and far from overloaded, just be safe.
I just want to point out the brakes on the F250 are the same as an F350. Stopping should be the same.

In my opinion. I’d keep the F250 and add some Firestone Ride Rite air bags tonsupport the rear end.

In my research I’ve found several tires that can give more capacity. General Grabber HD, Rated at 90 psi, And Bridgestone Dueler AT Revo 3.

https://m.tirerack.com/tires/Spec.js...num=97SR8REVO3

These have 4080 lbs per tire and are 1 inch taller. You should make sure not to exceed the tire rating which would be hard with these tires but also in my opinion don’t haul around anything you don’t use and I think a good bogey would be to stay below 15000 lbs with your trailer, so you got 1700 lbs of cargo. Over 16000, well In my opinion around that number, that’s the end of SRW territory and the beginning of duelie territory.

One thing also is that we all have to remember is that the same engine and transmission are towing 30000 lbs so that’s the reason you’d have not a lot of trouble pulling half that weight. My 3500 Ram has a .342 rear end.

Let us know how it does. On another note I respect all these folks opinions that have replied. I remember a famous movie where the actor said “opinions vary”. These are my opinions only, I can’t wait to see as you work this out, what yours will be also. Because empirical data is lots of times better than folks like me giving conjectures. Lol
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Old 01-13-2019, 08:04 PM   #33
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You might go with a 4.56 differential set. I have a gas 2500HD 4WD that is factory rated to pull 17,350 and it has the 4.56 differential set. Your biggest challenge will be hitch pin weight. 16,000 trailer should come in at about 3200 lbs hitch pin weight or 1600 additional lbs on each of your 2 rear tires. Are they rated for that kind of load?
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Old 01-13-2019, 08:50 PM   #34
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The issue is not will a F250 tow the rv because the power is no problem but you will be overweight and on a windy day it will blow you all over and that is dangerous.
Then again some just have to learn the hard way.
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Old 01-14-2019, 12:26 AM   #35
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You need to check with your insurance company. I did Allstate assures me if you are overweight you are covered. Iím not over weight but I just wonted to find out because this comes up so often.
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I hope you have that in writing on your policy because I'd bet Allstate will change their mind if you file a claim and the report say you were over weight....Insurance companies/agents are great at tell you everything you want to hear to sell you a policy. They're not so good when it comes time to pay out on your policy. That's when they point out all the disclaimers on your policy and explain what negligence means...
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Old 01-14-2019, 01:35 AM   #36
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Your truck is a work horse as it was designed to be. I have a 2017 F250 2WD and I pull a 2019 Montana 3721. The only mod I have made to the truck is to add air bag load levelers. Been using this setup for two years and have power to spare on mountains, no tire or rear end problems. Get it weighed and look at the facts you are working with - then decide if anything needs to be moved or removed. If necessary put a tray on the rear and load anything heavy (within the tray rating) there. It will also offset hitch weight.
My basic rule is one word, "Simplify"the load. If you didn't use it last season don't take it now, with the exception of tools, but not enough to overhaul your truck. Be realistic. Same rule inside the trailer until the boss says no. You'll stop better and save fuel too. Remember to include the weight of an extra fuel tank and two full tanks.
Completely agree with this post! This is a Ford! Most capable truck built and I drive a Ram. I love them. I drive Ramís becuSe I can get them cheaper. And they are wonderful trucks. Versus older trucks this Ford has massive electronics and systems for stability control braking and emergency handling. You canít compare it to a truck bought not that many years ago and older.

It would cost the OP crazy money to trade a perfectly fine truck in on a F350 and hardly gain a dang thing except the sticker on the truck shows a better payload. If the OP has the cash well, itís up to him.

He could take that money, stifin up his rear suspension, get a little higher load rated tire and be just as safe as a F350. Itís an amazing truck and it will handle that trailer just fine in my opinion.

The biggest reason any of us, and Iím preaching to the choir, are going to experience problems is speed, inattentiveness, assured clear distance and the like. Letís hope we all come home safe this year.

Good luck OP!
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Old 01-14-2019, 07:34 AM   #37
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Don't waste your money. I have a 2016 F250 5.7 Diesel 4X4 Crew cab pulling a 3611RL Montana. I put an extra leaf spring to raise my ability to carry the pin weight on the Montana. I have towed the Montana over the United States without a problem. I have a short bed truck with a 28 gallon fuel tank so I put a 33 gallon auxiliary fuel tank in the bed behind the cab. This gives me the ability to drive 500 miles before refueling si I stop for fuel when I want to, not when I have to.

You will be fine with the set you have without changing gear ratio. Just my humble opinion.
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I have the same 5er and when I bought it I had a 2010 F350 that was rated at 14400. I decided it was too close to the max and went for a 2017 F350 that will handle over 20K. Your gears should pull your rig OK. The problem is you have no headroom on max GVCW. You will almost certainly load to over 15K. I would bite the bullet and move up to a 350. You should be able to wrangle a deal with that new a trade in that should be not much more than the MOD you're considering.
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I hope you have that in writing on your policy because I'd bet Allstate will change their mind if you file a claim and the report say you were over weight....Insurance companies/agents are great at tell you everything you want to hear to sell you a policy. They're not so good when it comes time to pay out on your policy. That's when they point out all the disclaimers on your policy and explain what negligence means...
I ask my agent and they called Allstate Corp. If they can deny coverage because you are over weight they can deny coverage if you run a red light, speeding or drinking and driving. If they could deny coverage they would never cover anything.
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Old 01-14-2019, 10:24 AM   #40
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Although a diesel can tow just about anything and maybe able to stop more weight I would hesitate towing anything g that is over your trucks capacity, better to be on the safe side.
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