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Old 10-03-2013, 05:39 AM   #21
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On our 2013 3800RE with the level up system, the unit is "pretty" stable. But I can feel a little movement, a jiggle, or whatever you wish to call it if I am lying in the bed and the wife is in the living area reading and moving about to the kitchen and back to her chair. We had "pops" that occured quite often during the first few months of ownership (bought end of aug 2012). All was quiet for a good 6 months, then have noticed the occasional pop when the outside temperature drops in the early evening. When I hear the pop, I also notice a slight wiggle or vibration in the fifth wheel. I wonder if anyone has ever checked the torque settings on the bolts that secure the rams to the frame in the six locations where the rams are attached??? I certainly haven't done this yet, but I will check to see what grade of bolt is used and then check the torque setting to make sure that they are in spec range for the grade of bolt used. Anyone else out there checked this on their rigs or witnessed a shop checking this? John
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Old 10-08-2013, 12:29 PM   #22
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more on level up system - went to look at the hydraulic rams and noticed that I have a "mix" of grade 5 bolts and grade 8 bolts used to attach the rams to the frame. So now the question is what should they be? Guess it is time to contact Keystone and Lipperet to see what is suppossed to be used. And given that I have a mix, I can't trust that the nuts used are the correct grade either. Why me? My input to the rest of you is to look at your leveling rams to see what bolts were used! Grade 5 bolts have 3 lines radiating from 3 of the 6 points on the bolt head. Grade 8 have 6 lines, one from each point on the bolt head. And then the next question to Keystone/Lippert is what torque value was supposed to be applied to the bolts. John
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Old 10-08-2013, 01:11 PM   #23
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Levelup system alert - If you have read my last two messages concerning the levelup system and my wondering about torque values, here is what I found so far. I sent a message to customer service at Keystone and am awaiting to see what I get back from them. I also went to Lippert's website and found at their customer servvice the following information: Grade 8 bolts/nuts of 1/2 20 thread count (fine threads) with a torque value of 90 foot pounds. I have a mix of Grade 5 and Grade 8 bolts and have no idea what nuts were used by Keystone when they attached the rams to the frame. Check yours to make sure they are Grade 8!!! John
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Old 10-08-2013, 05:00 PM   #24
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When we added the Big foot hydraulic leveling system it did add a degree of stability but we knew any leveling system is primarily that, a leveling system. We already had our permanently mounted stabilizers before the BF but found that for us we still needed stabilizers. They took care of our interior movement but we do love the ease of push button leveling so now we have our cake and are eating it too. Hugs, Di
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Old 10-16-2013, 08:33 AM   #25
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Regarding flange bolts/flange nuts used to attach levelers to frame - Got a reply back from Keystone Customer Service that said that they had someone check with Lippert and the response from Lippert was that they had previously used grade 5 and standardized the process to use only grade 8...and a mix would be fine. Not the answer I expected, but at least it is on record if I have issues. John
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Old 10-16-2013, 11:37 AM   #26
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Those things come from Lippert assembled keystone does not do it.
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Old 10-16-2013, 05:34 PM   #27
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We don't have the 6 point level system on our 2013 358 rlt Mountaineer and we hardly notice any shaking or wiggle at all in our Monty, and no popping sounds. Much better than our 2004 Sunnybrook. So glad it's so stable cause we can take a lot of trips for what the level system costs.
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Old 11-13-2013, 08:57 AM   #28
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quote:Originally posted by Tom - Shannon

Here is where we are at with our 3402RL RV sway/movement problem. We purchased from Pete's RV, Schererville, In. Per Pete's RV instructions, I took to RV dealer in southern Ind who while on the phone with Lippert ran Monty through every test possible. The dealers conclusion was they can do nothing to get the shaking out. They said the jacks are too small and give when Monty is raised, lowered, etc. I'm on my 3rd person at Pete's RV and he is going to talk with Keystone and see what can be done. We also have a popping sound and the RV shakes, Lippert is aware of this problem and has a fact sheet for dealers where taking 1 qt. of oil out of reservoir and adding 1 qt of a grade 15 oil (Torco REF Grade 15)will supposedly solve this problem. We are living fulltime in the RV and just starting out with our dream of workamping. All we want is our RV to be right. What a let down.

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Hi Tom, Welcome to the world of Fulltimming.

We have a '14 3150RL with the 6 pt jacks. We have a front closet with a Splendide in it. It will shake the trailer at times on spin. When I'm in bed and the wife is still up, I can feel her walking around sometimes. The popping occurred in ours the first few months. We were in Colorado and had large temp swings. At night you could feel the front drop, abet probably only 1/8" but was kinda scary.

We have the bulletin about the 3 different fluid additives, I was going to go with the CAT one, but it is no longer doing it, so I relate it to maybe just the temp swings or air in the system.

My take on the jacks are they are designed to "level" the rig. Which they do. They are not designed to make it not move.

I really think you are expecting something that is just not possible. A house on wheels that does not move. The tripod, mated to the pin, will not work cause the pin is mounted on rubber and it is designed to move. So, yes that is a waste of effort.

Please accept the fact it moves some and go on and find something enjoyable to do. Like watch the guy that comes in with electric front jacks, hand crank rear stabilizers, watch him get his boards out and drive on them a couple times, remembering you just push a button and in a matter of seconds you are done.

We fulltimmed for almost 10 years, workcamped for 4, the best time of our lives. I do hope you enjoy it as much as we did. Now just 3/4 time.

Jim
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Old 11-13-2013, 11:05 AM   #29
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We had the OEM jack system on out 06 3400.We did have the JT stabilizers that helped some. This 13 3402 Big sky is far more stable with the 6 point level up system. The first time the Splendide went on spin we noticed the difference.
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