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Old 04-25-2017, 07:30 PM   #21
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Don't know if this might help anyone but follow along on my numbers. I have a 2014 F350 DRW diesel and a 2013 3402RL. The trailer has a GVWR of 15800lbs. (for reference only). The truck has a GVWR of 14000lbs (again for reference only), with posted front axle load weight max of 5600lbs and rear axle load weight max of 9650. Ford lists the GCWR tow rating for a 5th wheel for this truck as 22200lbs, to a combined truck and trailer total of 30500lbs. Those are detail facts only.
I had the truck and trailer combination weighed in 8/15 on one of our usual trips with the following weight results: Front axle: 5160lbs, Rear axle: 6480lbs, Trailer axles 12040lbs. This was with full passenger load and all luggage and trip essentials either in the truck or in the trailer. Based on those real world weights, my rig is WELL under the trucks ability to handle the tow and load weights. For all those concerned, take your rig to a truck scale station and get your numbers to be sure of where you stand.
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Old 04-26-2017, 04:03 PM   #22
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I ask my Allstate agent if I was covered if I was covered if I was overweight. Which I'm not. He called Allstate "Yes you are covered"is what Allstate said. Additionally he said they can't deny coverage if they insure you. For instance if you are speeding, run a stop sigh a red light. They can't choose when to cover you or they never would.
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That is interesting. We do not have allstate however our insurance company never asked us about weights of any kind when insuring our Truck and Montana. We did ask our lawyer about being over weight, outside the spec's and his reply was "Rich please do not make it any harder on me to defend you should the occasion arise."
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Old 04-26-2017, 07:05 PM   #23
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Rich it might be hard to defend you if you are overweight, driving drunk and speeding but your insurance co. will still cover you. They have no choice. You wont haft to worry about a lawyer your insurance co. will furnish one. It's their money to the limit of your policy. If you are drunk and speeding they won't go to jail for you but I really don't think you are going to be drinking and driving.
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Old 04-28-2017, 12:52 PM   #24
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I traded my f250 for. F350(srw) with a 11500 gvwr. I have a 3811 fully loaded I'm right my max of 11500. That would be 1500 over on my 250. Most people will tell you there is no difference between 250 and 350 but I feel better with the 350. Any bigger I would get a dually.
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Old 04-28-2017, 01:48 PM   #25
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I traded my f250 for. F350(srw) with a 11500 gvwr. I have a 3811 fully loaded I'm right my max of 11500. That would be 1500 over on my 250. Most people will tell you there is no difference between 250 and 350 but I feel better with the 350. Any bigger I would get a dually.
Sounds like GVWR difference of 1500 lbs.
Within weight specs vs. over weight specs.
Feel better vs. not....
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Old 04-29-2017, 02:52 PM   #26
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Without more information about your truck, any advice given is just a guess.
The only thing known right now is that you have a 2013 F250 Crew Cab and you plan to tow a 3791RD. To do the math, is the truck 2wd or 4wd, gas or diesel, what is the axle ratio, what is the GVWR and GCWR and what does the truck weight fully loaded ? (you, spouse, full tank, hitch, tools, etc.)
Mosnowman,

I have some math for you based on information I got from a Ford website.

The best ratings numbers are based on the following truck configuration:
2013 F250, Crew Cab, short bed, 2wd, 6.2L gas engine.
Any configuration other than this makes the numbers worse.

Max GVWR: 10000 lbs
Max Payload: 3640 lbs
Curb Weight: 6440 lbs

For the RV, I am using the shipping weight from the factory. 13120 lbs
Pin, or hitch weight, should be 15% - 25% of the weight of the RV.
For this math I am using 15%. 1968 lbs

Now the math.
Subtract the curb weight from the GVWR: 10000 - 6440 = 3560
Now subtract the pin weight from the remainder above: 3560 - 1968 = 1592

That 1592 lbs is all you have left to play with. It does not include the weight of you, your spouse, your hitch, any tools or other spare "stuff" you will have in the truck. That 1592 lbs is also with an empty RV, not even full propane bottles.

A typical pin weight is 20% of the weight of the RV. That would be 2624 lbs. That makes your remaining available weight even less AND you still don't have anything in the RV.

Just something to think about.
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Old 04-30-2017, 09:07 AM   #27
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We are making this way too hard and too complicated. Here's the simple answer.

1. Do not exceed the truck's GVWR, you will find the cargo capacity on the "Tire and Loading Information" sticker on the driver's side door post. That weight includes everything in the truck, including pin weight...the PW eliminates all 250/2500 series trucks.

2. Tow capacity is the GCWR minus the weight of the truck when ready to tow.

I find it incredulous that we have posters advocating and saying it's okay to tow over weight "your insurance will still cover you."

Met a guy in a CG last week who was in a motor home pulling a half ton truck as his tow vehicle. The rear of his MH was smashed. He admitted to pulling his truck with a tow system rated 1,000# under the weight of truck...and the base plate attached to the truck broke. It's okay though, his truck didn't break totally free and yes, his insurance company will pay to fix his MH.
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Old 04-30-2017, 07:38 PM   #28
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The 2017 Ford pickups are rated to tow up to 32000+ pounds. Does anyone seriously think you can tow 32000 pounds with a pickup, safely. J2807 tow standards are about truck performance. I have read all 27 pages and no where I can find any mention of safety. Safety is what I'm concerned about. A 250, 2500 truck is exactly the same truck as a 350, 3500 with the exception of the rear springs. Change the springs and they are the same truck. I see no reason one would be safer than the other.
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Old 04-30-2017, 08:07 PM   #29
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Exactly
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Old 05-01-2017, 10:37 AM   #30
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Anyone who has had the experience of towing the same rig first with a 2500 and then with a 3500 DRW knows the difference. We never had a problem or a white knuckle experience pulling with our 2500 but when we made the change to the 3500, we realized how much difference it made. The 2500 had plenty of power to pull and the ability to safely stop and decend grades. The 3500 just has a whole lot more of both. There is a great deal more difference between the two than just two more wheels.
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Old 05-03-2017, 08:33 PM   #31
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Asked the same question a few weeks ago about my 2500 towing a 3790 looking for input and got many of the same answers. Some yes, some no. I ultimately contacted GM, verified my VIN# and they opened a case file and confirmed my tow capacity and king pin weight were within the manufacturer recommendations for my vehicle.

I have leveled the front end, installed rear air bags and new HD shocks all the way around. Truck tows with this set up and trailer better than any I've owned. Personally I don't see any reason to have a 1 ton or DRW unless you're exceeding your combined gross weight with the 3/4 ton.

Travel smart, tow at safe speeds and give yourself plenty of time to get where you're going. Don't be in a hurry to get nowhere fast and you'll be fine, you're supposed to be on holiday, enjoy the ride! : )

Just my opinion from my experience.



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Old 05-03-2017, 08:52 PM   #32
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exactly, i put several thousand miles on my 2500hd cc srw chevy with the 3790rd behind it... towed great. Stopped great, once I put G rated tires on the trailer it handled great.

Nuff said... there are non believers who have their dually's who swear that is the only option and for them it is obviously but for others it is a different answer.

Never seen so many people so concerned about weight as some of the folks on this site...

The new trucks are far superior to the trucks from a few short years ago where it actually really did make a big difference.

Enjoy your units, I just towed the 5er about 50 miles today with the new 2017 Dmax and I have to say it's quite a machine. Far different than the 2015 in power & torque so much so that on two lane 50mph(80kph) roads it was in 6th gear and I could slow to 70kph and go right back up to 90 - 95kph and it never dropped a gear and just pulled like crazy. That never happened with the 2015......luv'in this new truck. The only thing I might need to do is add air bags on this 3500 as she squatted a bit more than the 2500 did with it's air bags. time will tell when I hit a rough freeway....
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Old 05-06-2017, 08:57 AM   #33
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Fill this out with actual weights from a cat scale and then make a educated decision.[URL="http://www.towingplanner.com/ActualWeights/FifthWheelCatScales/?a=2"] If you are overweight your insurance will cover you for everything in an accident up to the limits of your liability. Then you can be sued separately for criminal negligence by the person you injured and his insurance company if they can prove you were overweight. I stop at Cat Scales and keep the paperwork in case of an accident.
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Old 05-24-2017, 05:28 PM   #34
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I have a 450 04 Ford pulling 3475 Montana.
reason for 450 bigger brakes.
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Old 05-26-2017, 06:52 AM   #35
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I am one that has towed my previous raptor toy hauler with a 2011 Chevy 3500 srw and then a 2014 gmc drw and the difference is dramatic. On a down hill grade going around curves a could feel the rear tires of the srw truck moving side to side. I did not like that feeling at all. Without a doubt the dually is the way to go for a heavy camper with a lot of pin weight. Towing my even heavier 3455sa Montana with the dually is like driving a Caddy down the road. Nice and smooth without that white knuckled feeling
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My brother had a Chevy 3500 DRW Dmax and I have a 250 Ford. When we went on a hunting or fishing trip we either truck. My truck has the 20 inch low profile tires that come on it. His the little 16s. The only difference either one of us could see my truck had a lot more power. Of course it should it's tuned. As far as handling, up and down our crooked roads here in the Blue ridge Mts and out west, no difference. My brother was a CHEVY guy. If he would say he couldn't see any difference, he saw no difference.
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