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11-06-2006, 02:00 PM
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Montana Master
Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: Lone Tree
Posts: 5,615
M.O.C. #6109
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MAC - No change to plans. Sure we'll go out. I'll just be using two tow vehicles. 
Just speculation anyway - I'll know more tomorrow.
Brad
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11-06-2006, 02:08 PM
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Montana Master
Join Date: May 2006
Location:
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M.O.C. #5751
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quote:Originally posted by Montana Sky
Amazing at how a few members don't like a change that Keystone has made and within a month, the change has been changed again. Now lets see what we can do with that mirror in the front end cap....
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Maybe I'm missing something here, but I an see the hitch from the driver's seat without the mirror.
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11-06-2006, 03:53 PM
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Montana Master
Join Date: Jan 2004
Location: Down the Road
Posts: 5,627
M.O.C. #889
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Bert,
I can also see my hitch and kingpin from the drivers seat. My comment was more of a smart remark about the mirror. I hate it! I would like to see it go away! I figured if a few members from the MOC can hate a fridge cover (which at first I did not like, but the more I saw it, the more I liked it) and Keystone changed the fridge back. I could get a few members on board with me not liking the mirror and Keystone would change the cap as well. Just wishful thinking I guess.....
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11-06-2006, 04:11 PM
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Montana Master
Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: Lone Tree
Posts: 5,615
M.O.C. #6109
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Actually while they are taking the mirror away, they could add the docking lights into the cowl like they did for the Mountaineer.
Brad
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11-06-2006, 04:27 PM
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Montana Master
Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: Texico
Posts: 1,917
M.O.C. #6150
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I don't use the mirror either, it's not necessary. I was thinking I might have it engraved with some sort of wildlife picture, or replace it with something??
I like the shape of the cap, but agree with you Brad, docking lights would be cool.
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11-06-2006, 04:55 PM
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Montana Master
Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: Lone Tree
Posts: 5,615
M.O.C. #6109
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Ooops - not the Mountaineer, the Cougar. Here is the new front with docking lights (they actually shine down). Unfortunately it also has a mirror - even a bigger one!
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11-07-2006, 01:25 AM
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Montana Master
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: _
Posts: 5,238
M.O.C. #6337
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MontanaSky
Dave, we are not in the market for a new rig ANY time soon, but, I don't particularly like that mirror look either. Now, whether, I would use it when backing in is another thing, as I back, Al watches hitch height, etc. But, I think it is rather icky looking!
Like Lonnie B's idea, etch it! how bout bears? mountain goats? more mountains? trees, as in forest?? 
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11-07-2006, 02:04 AM
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Montana Master
Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: North Ridgeville
Posts: 20,229
M.O.C. #2839
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Wait a Minute. I have the Mor-Ryde hitch pin and Keystone neglected to advise that the mirror is useless when you have one and I wonder how long it will last before it clouds up or falls off the camper. However we did some work arounds that involved yellow and blue tape and and we can, I repeat can, use the mirror to hook up..as a last resort. However I do like the "replace it with a picture" idea...Hummmm. My guess on the black door is more like ..the contract ran out, there was a problem with matching the new wood color or more than Likely a screw up in procurement and Keystone had to do something and were able to come with a few black doors as a emergency work around till they could get the wood back. Doubt very much this forum had anything to do with it other than confirm that it was a bad idea and I am sure they knew that...
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11-07-2006, 02:57 AM
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Montana Fan
Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: New Haven
Posts: 170
M.O.C. #6271
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Regarding the "mirror"...I can't say exactly, 100%, for sure about this, but I believe it is just a decal or sticky film they have put on the front. I've seen it a couple times, and I can let you know for sure when we pick ours up, but it appears as it is just nothing more than that, so perhaps one could "peel" it off? I don't think there is a danger of it falling off, as it really isn't a true mirror. From what I can remember, it actually distorts images. I can't imagine for the life of me what good it is, as I can see quite fine when backing up to the hitch. I think it will probably go away as well. It was probably designed by someone who has never pulled a camper and thought it might "help" 
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11-07-2006, 03:41 AM
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Montana Master
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: Castle Rock
Posts: 1,338
M.O.C. #4624
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Sky,
I'm with you, I don't like that mirror on the new units either, but maybe you should start a new topic if you want it to get the attention of Keystone. I'm not really a fan of the new front cap in general but I know I'm in the minority there so perhaps I shouldn't open my mouth. Ooops, too late! 
mac
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11-07-2006, 04:38 AM
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Montana Master
Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: Lone Tree
Posts: 5,615
M.O.C. #6109
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Rich,
I agree with you on the refrigerator - I don't think MOC was the turning point for Keystone. We were at 3 different dealers over the last two weeks, and they actually volunteered info that the fridge door has been a problem with customers.
You could be right on the production problem at Keystone, or it could have actually been the designers choice to try and match all of the black hardware for the new colors (one Dealer told me that was the reason). Irregardless, the Dealers said they had a negative reaction and I'm sure they have been putting the pressure on Keystone.
Brad
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11-07-2006, 04:45 AM
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Montana Master
Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: Lone Tree
Posts: 5,615
M.O.C. #6109
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MAC,
I think the change on the front end was necessary to redesign the front frame given the historical front flex problem. I believe they have shortened the overhang and shortened the pin box to reduce the stress up front, and as a result they had to modify the nose to get clearance even without a short bed. Although they advertise 30% more turning radius, I believe the basis for the change runs a little deeper than that. Truly the depth from the pin to the front cabinet is much shallower on all of the new models.
Just my thought,
Brad
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11-07-2006, 05:00 AM
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Montana Master
Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: North Ridgeville
Posts: 20,229
M.O.C. #2839
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The "mirror" is defiantly not a "Mirror" It is similar to "survival Mirrors" I have seen. I wonder what effect salt, road grime, etc will have on it over time...Hope it is easy to remove because I have feeling we will be doing that in the not to distant future.. As for the new front cap, don't know about the aerodynamics or improved turn ratio but we do lkike it over the previous "boxy' look.
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11-07-2006, 09:13 AM
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Montana Master
Join Date: May 2003
Location: New Bern
Posts: 4,294
M.O.C. #311
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quote:Originally posted by Mudchief
Brad my dealer told me that Keystone says you can only get it with wood now and that they offer a wood upgade kit for anyone that wanted to get rid of the black. However there is a fee.
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My dealer emailed Montana and confirmed the wood panels are service items (meaning we have to order). He said an email from Montana came back very quick with the part numbers. At least Montana listened to us, however, it is at some of our expenses (mine for one) I had to pay for the glass storage doors (also as service item and now will have to pay  for what I was expecting when I ordered the Montana, the wooden panels on the fridge.
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11-07-2006, 09:23 AM
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Montana Master
Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: Lone Tree
Posts: 5,615
M.O.C. #6109
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Well, I guess I'll find out. I just ordered a new 3400RL 10 minutes ago, and the wood door is a contingent in the contract. The dealer said no problem.
We didn't go with the 10 cf option. If you do I'm not sure what that does to the door issue!
Brad
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11-07-2006, 09:45 AM
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Montana Master
Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: Texico
Posts: 1,917
M.O.C. #6150
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Congratulations Brad .
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11-07-2006, 10:10 AM
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Montana Master
Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: Lone Tree
Posts: 5,615
M.O.C. #6109
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Thanks Lonnie - whew, stressful day.
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11-07-2006, 12:46 PM
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Montana Master
Join Date: Nov 2005
Location: Paola
Posts: 5,739
M.O.C. #4961
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Brad, that is great. I know the 2 of you are excited. I can relate to that stressful day. I had to keep telling myself all day long that I was doing the right thing trading in a 1 year old unit. Now I can say I am glad I did. Now you can start planning on what "OZZ Mod's" you will be doing.
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Dennis & Linda Ward
Paola, Kansas
Montana 3735MK Legacy Edition
1200 watts of Solar
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11-07-2006, 01:09 PM
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Montana Master
Join Date: May 2006
Location:
Posts: 1,700
M.O.C. #5751
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Quote:
quote:Originally posted by CampingCrazyShirley
Regarding the "mirror"...I can't say exactly, 100%, for sure about this, but I believe it is just a decal or sticky film they have put on the front. I've seen it a couple times, and I can let you know for sure when we pick ours up, but it appears as it is just nothing more than that, so perhaps one could "peel" it off? I don't think there is a danger of it falling off, as it really isn't a true mirror. From what I can remember, it actually distorts images. I can't imagine for the life of me what good it is, as I can see quite fine when backing up to the hitch. I think it will probably go away as well. It was probably designed by someone who has never pulled a camper and thought it might "help"
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Actually, the mirror is some sort of metal...I waxed mine when I waxed the front of the rig.
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11-07-2006, 01:21 PM
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Montana Fan
Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: New Haven
Posts: 170
M.O.C. #6271
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Brad-Congratulations on the new 3400! That is so awesome. So how long before it gets here?
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