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01-06-2018, 07:31 AM
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Montana Master
Join Date: Oct 2017
Location: Bee Branch
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Cable to electric or hydraulic
Anyone ever converted a cable slide system to electric or hydraulic operation?
I am thinking that going hydraulic would allow for conversion to hydraulic leveling as well and I could use a superior hydraulic pump since I will do the install myself (I am well versed in multiple disciplines).
I am NOT concerned with the weight of these systems as I would want such critical items to be robust!
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James & Irene Wilson
Bee Branch, AR.
2017 Ram 1 ton diesel duallyCrew Cab/Long Bed
2018 Montana High Country 381TH Garage Full of Toys
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01-06-2018, 07:43 AM
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Montana Fan
Join Date: Jun 2015
Location: owen sound
Posts: 491
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Question is why ??? As a very experienced RV mechanic said to me while getting one of my cables/gear drive replaced on warranty as I was contemplating going to a new Solitude and or Montana from out 2015 due to the cable issue. "these cable systems have been around for over 25yrs and usually cause little problem at all other than a cable now & then, easy to fix and very cheap". Then he proceeded to point at about 15 units out in the lot waiting on parts where the new style slide mechanism had failed and he said they are expensive to fix and a pain in the arse to work on.... Convinced me that the 3 cable slides in our 3790RD weren't all that important. Haven't had any issues with the two big hydraulic slides but on occasion they do creep out if I leave it sitting for a period of time with them in..... His advice seemed pretty logical and saved us about 20 grand in trading to the new 2018 for essentially the same layout.
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01-06-2018, 07:55 AM
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Montana Master
Join Date: Feb 2012
Location: Lake Gaston
Posts: 8,773
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Owned Montana units since 2002. Never had a hydraulic slide issue. Owned our 2015 since july 4 weekend, 2014, bedroom slide is cable, one cable issue, fixed myself on site, no big deal. Understand the desire to have the Hydraulic leveling system, we love ours. Matter of how much it is worth to you to go through the effort.
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Mike and Lorraine
2002 3655 FL, 2005 3650RK
2010 3665RE, 2015 3910FB
F350 crew cab dually 6.7
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01-06-2018, 07:56 AM
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Montana Master
Join Date: Oct 2017
Location: Bee Branch
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Speedster,
It isn't something that I plan on doing any time soon as my rig is brand new. But I would like to get more familiar with how the systems are setup.
Let me ask this: if a cable breaks while the unit is in transit can the slide extend outward? That would make me think that adding a safety lock pin would be a good idea.
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James & Irene Wilson
Bee Branch, AR.
2017 Ram 1 ton diesel duallyCrew Cab/Long Bed
2018 Montana High Country 381TH Garage Full of Toys
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01-06-2018, 12:30 PM
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Montana Master
Join Date: Apr 2013
Location: Arroyo City
Posts: 3,110
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Quote:
Originally Posted by mtlakejim
Speedster,
It isn't something that I plan on doing any time soon as my rig is brand new. But I would like to get more familiar with how the systems are setup.
Let me ask this: if a cable breaks while the unit is in transit can the slide extend outward? That would make me think that adding a safety lock pin would be a good idea.
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IMHO anything is possible. I don’t think a cable is likely to break in transit. If you start worrying about little things, pretty soon you are worried all the time.
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01-06-2018, 04:33 PM
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Site Team
Join Date: Oct 2005
Location: Carmichael - CA
Posts: 7,371
M.O.C. #4831
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Quote:
Originally Posted by mtlakejim
Speedster,
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...if a cable breaks while the unit is in transit can the slide extend outward?...
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I had 5 cables replaced before they got it right. Two of those cables broke while we were traveling. The other 3 cables are strong enough to extend/retract the slide by themselves. The fourth one does help to keep the movement equal in addition to sharing the load. We did have a human assist when moving the slide though it wasn't really necessary.
So to answer your specific question, NO, the slide will not extend out while traveling if one cable is broken.
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Carl (n Susan)
There is more to life than fuel mileage.
2012 Montana 3700RL Big Sky Package towed by a 2015 Ford F350 6.7L PSD 4WD CC LWB
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01-06-2018, 06:28 PM
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Montana Master
Join Date: Oct 2017
Location: Bee Branch
Posts: 2,620
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Thanks Carl that is a relief!!! Maybe one of these days someone can provide a drawing of the cable system or walk me thru it in person. There isn't much I can't fix myself if I know the general layout/principal of operation.
I am the kind of guy that would carry a spare cable and hardware, just in case....
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James & Irene Wilson
Bee Branch, AR.
2017 Ram 1 ton diesel duallyCrew Cab/Long Bed
2018 Montana High Country 381TH Garage Full of Toys
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01-06-2018, 06:40 PM
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Montana Fan
Join Date: Jun 2015
Location: owen sound
Posts: 491
M.O.C. #17566
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Its on line check out BAL cable slide system
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01-06-2018, 10:02 PM
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Site Team
Join Date: Oct 2005
Location: Carmichael - CA
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The attached PDF should answer a lot of your questions/concerns.
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Carl (n Susan)
There is more to life than fuel mileage.
2012 Montana 3700RL Big Sky Package towed by a 2015 Ford F350 6.7L PSD 4WD CC LWB
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01-07-2018, 06:07 AM
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Montana Master
Join Date: Oct 2017
Location: Bee Branch
Posts: 2,620
M.O.C. #20693
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Thanks Carl. That is exactly what I was looking for. And they sell a cable replacement kit!
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James & Irene Wilson
Bee Branch, AR.
2017 Ram 1 ton diesel duallyCrew Cab/Long Bed
2018 Montana High Country 381TH Garage Full of Toys
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01-07-2018, 08:36 AM
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Montana Master
Join Date: Jul 2010
Location: Lake Havasu City AZ.
Posts: 1,811
M.O.C. #10552
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Carl, that PDF is worth its weight in gold. I printed out a copy and put it with my other how toos in the rig.
Thank you so much.
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01-08-2018, 07:41 AM
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Montana Master
Join Date: Apr 2006
Location: Mesa az
Posts: 2,953
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I have a question. What is an electic slide (other than a country dance LOL)? I assumed all we have is hydraulic and cable/electric.
Thanks.
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Tom and Gail
2013 Mountaineer 362
2012 Silverado 2500
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01-08-2018, 01:34 PM
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Montana Master
Join Date: Oct 2017
Location: Bee Branch
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M.O.C. #20693
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Quote:
Originally Posted by twindman
I have a question. What is an electic slide (other than a country dance LOL)? I assumed all we have is hydraulic and cable/electric.
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Twindman,
I haven't actually seen anything other than cable or hydraulic but have heard people talking about electric and made an assumption (I know I know a dangerous thing to do) that the industry had decided to use electric actuators on some units. We use 24 volt electric actuators on some of our automation in the oilfield so I am familiar with them and they would probably work in the place of hydraulic. They have the advantage of being easier to install (no pump or high pressure hoses) and less expensive but the disadvantage of not being as powerful or reliable as hydraulics.
Considering that the industry is starting to use electric leveling jacks it isn't a very big leap to see where they might start using electric actuators on the slides. The RV industry is constantly trying to reduce the unit build cost, very often at the expensive of quality and longevity.
I have considerable experience with both hydraulics and electric actuators. My thoughts are: the hydraulics will operate reliably for several years but when they do go down, its going to be an expensive and somewhat time consuming fix. You will likely have issues with electric actuators every couple years under typical use but when there is a problem the fix will be less expensive and fairly easy....
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James & Irene Wilson
Bee Branch, AR.
2017 Ram 1 ton diesel duallyCrew Cab/Long Bed
2018 Montana High Country 381TH Garage Full of Toys
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01-08-2018, 05:21 PM
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Site Team
Join Date: Oct 2005
Location: Carmichael - CA
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M.O.C. #4831
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Quote:
Originally Posted by twindman
I have a question. What is an electic slide (other than a country dance LOL)? I assumed all we have is hydraulic and cable/electric.
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The most common electric system I am aware of is the Schwintek system from (guess who) Lippert.
https://www.lci1.com/in-wall-slide-out
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Carl (n Susan)
There is more to life than fuel mileage.
2012 Montana 3700RL Big Sky Package towed by a 2015 Ford F350 6.7L PSD 4WD CC LWB
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01-09-2018, 08:58 AM
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Montana Master
Join Date: Apr 2015
Location: Stafford Springs
Posts: 524
M.O.C. #17256
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Originally Posted by carl n susan
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Yes and the in-wall slid out system can also be very problematic. both the in wall slide system and the cable systems are good systems and work well. the problem is with the install. if the Manufacture does not install it right you end up with issues. the in wall slide system must be installed perfectly true and square, any miss alignment and it will bind, strip gears and tear the floor up. I know because I had this happen in my SOB. the cable systems biggest failure is the bracket location on the slide out walls sometimes are not aligned with the pulleys causing the cable to rub in the in or out position this rubbing causes fraying and failure. had this happen on my current trailer. I relocated the bracket and replaced the cable to fix the issue. There is no bad system, just bad installs...
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Jason & Wendy
2014 Ford F-350 Lariat 6.7L PSD
2015 Keystone Montana 3711FL
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