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03-22-2009, 01:51 PM
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Established Member
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: Fountain Valley
Posts: 12
M.O.C. #7480
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Shaking
I've tried the tripod stabilizer under the pin and a pair of stabilizers under the slide in our 2007 3000RK but it still shakes when one of us is walking inside or worse when climbing the steps. I find the trailer movement slightly annoying but it really bothers my wife.
I saw an advetisement in Trailer Life for a set of permanently installed stabilizers so I looked into their website ( www.steadyfast.com) and saw what looked like a better way than what I've already tried.
I'm wondering if anyone has had any experience using the Steadyfast system or any other method and what success you've had in minimizing the movement.
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03-22-2009, 01:55 PM
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Seasoned Camper
Join Date: Feb 2009
Location: Essex
Posts: 99
M.O.C. #9104
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I installed the JT Strongarm stabilizers, and couldn't be happier with them!
They were a bit of work to get installed, but it's a one-time deal, so make sure that if you do it yourself, you commit an entire day, and plan on doing it right.
They make a world of difference in my rig!
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03-22-2009, 01:58 PM
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Montana Fan
Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: PHOENIX
Posts: 145
M.O.C. #4279
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I heard a rumor that the JT system may either become an option or installed on all Montana/Big Sky's in the future. Production quantities capabilities by JT is the main problem.
Alan & Kathy
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03-22-2009, 02:09 PM
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Montana Master
Join Date: Apr 2005
Location: Tonawanda
Posts: 551
M.O.C. #3662
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I went with the JT stabilizers and it made a big difference
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03-22-2009, 02:20 PM
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Montana Master
Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: Casa Grande
Posts: 5,369
M.O.C. #6333
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Ditto with the JT's. I think they were the originals and all others are knockoffs, not to say they are better, just the originals. I won't have another 5th wheel without them. A NOTE: They do NOT take all the movement out as you are sitting on air (tires), but about 90% with some depending on weight of occupants.
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03-22-2009, 02:28 PM
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Montana Master
Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: Kelowna
Posts: 1,475
M.O.C. #6237
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We had JT's installed and wouldn't be without them the take 90% of the movement out of the 5th wheel. Tried the tripod sold it after the first weekend and had the JT's installed.
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03-22-2009, 03:47 PM
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Montana Master
Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: Lone Tree
Posts: 5,615
M.O.C. #6109
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JTs here - sold the tripod on Craigslist.
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03-22-2009, 04:06 PM
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Montana Master
Join Date: Aug 2004
Location: Livermore
Posts: 5,160
M.O.C. #1920
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We have also heard that the chocks that apply between the wheels work well. A combination of the JT Stabilizers and the Chock n Lock or similar is supposed to take out a good portion of the bounce.
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2021Montana 3230CK Super Solar Legacy Package
2021 Ram 3500 Laramie Longhorn, BIM Charging
4x4, SRW, LB, Crew Cab, Pullrite 3900 Hitch
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03-22-2009, 05:52 PM
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Montana Master
Join Date: Sep 2003
Location: Forestville
Posts: 6,025
M.O.C. #496
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JT's were our choice also and they were great.
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03-23-2009, 03:35 AM
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Montana Master
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: McKinney
Posts: 7,223
M.O.C. #6433
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Another vote here for the JTs. I installed them myself with a little help from the guys here. Someone (can't remember who) posted some great pictures. Especially helpful for the cross member on the back.
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Riley, our Golden
2007 3075RL (recently sold, currently without)
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03-23-2009, 03:49 AM
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Montana Master
Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: North Ridgeville
Posts: 20,229
M.O.C. #2839
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We use a combanation of things when set up for a long time.. bal wheel chocks, King Pin stablizer(because we had one, would not buy one if we did not have one)and most recent the JT stablizers(the most effective)It is important to follow the instructions on set up for the J.T's. These campers are on a suspension system as as long as the wheels are on the ground there will be some movement.I would go along with Phil and say 90% of the "shake" is eliminated.
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03-23-2009, 08:01 AM
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Montana Master
Join Date: Aug 2004
Location: Cedar Rapids
Posts: 4,876
M.O.C. #1944
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Quote:
quote:Originally posted by Richard Bruno
I've tried the tripod stabilizer under the pin and a pair of stabilizers under the slide in our 2007 3000RK but it still shakes when one of us is walking inside or worse when climbing the steps. I find the trailer movement slightly annoying but it really bothers my wife.
I saw an advetisement in Trailer Life for a set of permanently installed stabilizers so I looked into their website (www.steadyfast.com) and saw what looked like a better way than what I've already tried.
I'm wondering if anyone has had any experience using the Steadyfast system or any other method and what success you've had in minimizing the movement.
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I know there are many who just can't stand the little bit of "jiggling" that occurs sometimes in these rigs. I've found that short of buying the JT's or those you mentioned, the best thing to keep the rig from bouncing is to make sure the wheels are chocked well. By that I mean use wheel chocks that fit between the narrowest gap between the wheels. Chocks on the ground are just blocks and will only keep the trailer from rolling.
We use the Roto-Choks because they grip the rubber of the tires very well. We had used the metal kind from Camping World but the metal against rubber never was a great grip and you could observe the wheel movement when someone walked inside the rig. With the Roto-Choks, that doesn't occur.
We also tried a tripod in front but that was never satisfactory for us either. What I found to be the best for us was to set up, get the front end up to where the rig was nearly level, then crank down the rear stabilizers. When that's done, just slightly raise the front end to put just a little pressure on the rear stabilizers. This has worked for us for over eight years of full timing.
Now, you won't completely get rid of every last single jiggle, but will greatly minimize them.
The system you inserted the website for looks like a great system. However, their statement Eliminates need for Tripod or Between
Wheel Chocks! is erroneous in one sense. You do need to chock your wheels before you unhook from the rig, or at least use some semblance of wheel blocking to prevent the rig from rolling after you unhook.
Orv
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03-23-2009, 09:34 AM
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Montana Master
Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: Casa Grande
Posts: 5,369
M.O.C. #6333
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Quote:
quote:Originally posted by exav8tr
Ditto with the JT's. I think they were the originals and all others are knockoffs, not to say they are better, just the originals. I won't have another 5th wheel without them. A NOTE: They do NOT take all the movement out as you are sitting on air (tires), but about 90% with some depending on weight of occupants.
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I obviously misstated some facts here as I received the following E-mail from Paul Hanscom, the owner of Steadyfast. I just want to correct my statement:
"Hi Phil And Kathy,
I am Paul Hanscom, the President of Steadyfast. I had a large number of hits on my website from this forum and searched to see what comments had been made. I hope you can take a look and see how the Steady fast system works. I am writing you this note to let you know it is not a Knock Off. The patent for this system was filed prior to JT's and the system is completely different. There are many JT owners and that is great. I just hope that the correct information gets to everyone.
Paul"
My apologies to Paul and to anyone else if I misled them.
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03-23-2009, 10:08 AM
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Montana Master
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: Silver Springs
Posts: 2,873
M.O.C. #2716
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We installed the JT's on our 3475rl and love them. They will stay with our unit on trade-in but new ones are being installed on our Big Sky as I type this. We would not be without them... Just a note: Keystone does not install them but our dealer is. It was part of our deal. It even stopped the shaking when the washer/dryer is going s long as we are on a level pad. 90% perfect on dirt or uneven ground.
Helen
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03-23-2009, 07:03 PM
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Montana Fan
Join Date: Jun 2005
Location: Bakersfield
Posts: 214
M.O.C. #3933
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Richard - I know a lot of people have the JT system & like them. I for one have the SteadyFast & feel it is an excellent product. Some of the things you might not know is that the SteadyFast only requires three braces to be installed whereas the JT complete system uses six, and in some cases you may have to install a metal cross brace to mount the JT braces to. Also, the SteadyFast includes the hardware for all the frame configurations you might have on your trailer or 5th wheel (C channel, I beam, box) & even includes the correct sized drill bits for the self tapping screws. If that isn't enough, the owner will also purchase his SteadyFast back if you aren't completely satisfied with it's performance. I think these factors make a big difference in making a decision. mike
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03-24-2009, 04:15 AM
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Montana Master
Join Date: Oct 2004
Location: Topeka
Posts: 1,121
M.O.C. #2215
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]If I'm reading your post correctly, and you've put stabilizers under the slide, you might want to re-think that. Keystone does not recommend this method of stablizing your rig ... if you should have a flat on that side and the rig sinks a bit, the stablizers could damage the slide mechanism, and that damage would not be covered by your warranty. It is my understanding that although an earlier model year Keystone owners manual stated this method was okay, it has since removed this statement.
In addition to the JT things, Steve permanently mounted scissor jacks behind the wheels to help with the up-and-down movement. This eliminated the up-and-down bouncing.
As far as movement when an occupant walks around, Steve and I will never be considered dainty people, but we're learning that if we walk a bit "softer" it helps ... in addition to the stablizing methods described here by the other members.
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03-24-2009, 06:08 AM
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Established Member
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: Fountain Valley
Posts: 12
M.O.C. #7480
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Thanks to all of those who responded to my inquiry about the "shaking". We did find that walking a little softer helped a little. As far as putting the stabilizers under the slide, I only used them a couple of times and I found that they didn't help so I filed that under "bad investment". I think I can now make an informed decision; leaning toward the Steadtfast product.
Richard
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03-24-2009, 06:38 AM
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Montana Fan
Join Date: May 2006
Location: Nekoosa
Posts: 412
M.O.C. #5793
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We've used all things mentioned in the above replys...except JT's.
The cure I've found was installing two stack jacks at the frame in front of the front wheels.
Unbelievable results! Wife is happy!
Roy
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03-24-2009, 07:51 AM
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Montana Master
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: Virginia Beach
Posts: 708
M.O.C. #6958
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We installed the plug-it-right stablizer system and are very happy with it.
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2023 Grand Design Reflection 367BHS
2020 GMC SIERRA 2500 Denali, 8 ft bed, SRW, Duramax Diesel w/10 speed Alison Transmission.
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03-24-2009, 02:59 PM
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Seasoned Camper
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: Livingston
Posts: 50
M.O.C. #6999
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I saw someone else do this and I thought it was an inexpensive fix and it really works. I put a cheap screw type stabilizer on a chunk of wood behind the rear wheels and snug it up to the frame. I could not believe what a difference it made. It just took the bounce right out of the floor. I don't even notice when the wife walks thru and I barely feel the washer when it is on spin. Cost was less than 30 bucks.
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