Journey with Confidence RV GPS App RV Trip Planner RV LIFE Campground Reviews RV Maintenance Take a Speed Test Free 7 Day Trial ×
 

Go Back   Montana Owners Club - Keystone Montana 5th Wheel Forum > GENERAL DISCUSSIONS > Tow Vehicles & Towing
Click Here to Login

Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread Display Modes
 
Old 08-18-2019, 03:32 PM   #1
saber707
Montana Fan
 
saber707's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2015
Location: Cedar Park
Posts: 135
M.O.C. #17531
Tow Vehicle Question

How many folks still tow with a Ford 6.0 diesel? I have a 2006 since new with 126,000 miles and it has been great. I tow a 2015 High Country. Just curious about others experience with this very controversial engine.
 
__________________
Jack & Rebecca
2015 Montana High Country
2006 Ford F250 SWB, 4X4, 6.0 diesel
saber707 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-18-2019, 03:56 PM   #2
mlh
Montana Master
 
Join Date: Oct 2004
Location: Salem
Posts: 7,528
M.O.C. #2283
I have a 6.4 basically the same engine. It’s been a fine engine. I’ve got the pollution controls in a box in my tractor shed so I’m sure they won’t give my any trouble. That is more than can be said for the new engines with all the pollution controls that on them, as we have been reading about here.
Lynwood
__________________
www.harrellsprec.com
Lynwood Harrell
323 RL HC 2008 F250
mlh is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-18-2019, 04:15 PM   #3
richfaa
Montana Master
 
Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: North Ridgeville
Posts: 20,229
M.O.C. #2839
We also have the 6.4 and have been trowing heavy for 105K miles with not a problem.
richfaa is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-18-2019, 08:15 PM   #4
Theunz
Montana Master
 
Theunz's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2016
Location: Catoosa
Posts: 772
M.O.C. #18384
I had an 05 6.0 that I too bought new and just recently traded at a little less then 125,000 miles. Truck was in near mint condition and meticulously maintained. Was wreckered in twice along with 5er. Once at about 80,000 mi due to burst EGR cooler and then again at about 122,000 mi due to a small valve in fuel injection system. A couple of thousand miles latter it started to exhibit the same symptoms as it did before the EGR cooler failed. Hated to give up on the truck, but by then we had already lost faith in the truck and coupled with a possible expensive repair looming I decided to trade for a very low mileage 2017 Chevy 3500 SRW. The comfort of not fearing another break down alone made the purchase worthwhile, let alone the VASTLY improved power and comfort. There are some reports of the 6.0 going 2 or 3 hundred thousand miles, but those are the exception. Seems like a crap shoot. If our preference wasn't camping in the mountains I would probably have paid the 10 grand to have it builit proofed, but every time I pulled a long steep grade I felt like I was pushing the engine beyond it's capabilities. Towed at 65 to 70 like a dream on most roads though. Hated to see it go!
__________________
2015 3100RL legacy...2005 Ford F-250 CC SB. Tows like a charm! 4/19 Updated to 2017 Chevy 3500 CC SB SRW -hope it tows as well as my F 250 did!
Theunz is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-19-2019, 07:33 AM   #5
BB_TX
Montana Master
 
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: McKinney
Posts: 7,133
M.O.C. #6433
The 6.0 did indeed get a very bad reputation. And there are those that claim everyone of them will fail and cost you big money. But in fact, no one can actually tell you what percentage of those engines have actually failed. But even one in ten failing would be a very large number and get the bad press it gets. But that would mean nine in ten would be good. Most of those claiming disaster with the 6.0 will admit to have never owned one themselves. And typically because they own a different brand.


I did own two 6.0s, 2004 F250 and 2007 F350. Only issue was a cam sensor fail on the 2007 replaced under warranty. But I only had about 60,000 miles when I traded for the 2012 6.7 F350. Not because of any issues. Only because I made the mistake of walking thru the new truck lot when in for an oil change.
__________________
Bill & Patricia
Riley, our Golden
2007 3075RL (recently sold, currently without)
BB_TX is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-19-2019, 07:49 AM   #6
1retired06
Montana Master
 
Join Date: Feb 2012
Location: Lake Gaston
Posts: 8,773
M.O.C. #12156
I also had a 05 F350 with the 6.0 Engine. Put over 100K miles towing on the engine. I was aware of some problems with the early editions, but most of them were reengineered, such as the wiring harness location, head bolts, etc. Kept mine for 8 years, trouble free, until I got our current truck with the 6.7. Only time it went in the shop was for software patch upgrades. My only complaint was that the rail fuel filter was a messy replacement and the air filter was a real PITA to replace.
__________________
Mike and Lorraine
2002 3655 FL, 2005 3650RK
2010 3665RE, 2015 3910FB
F350 crew cab dually 6.7
1retired06 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-19-2019, 05:53 PM   #7
dfb
Montana Master
 
Join Date: Mar 2015
Location: Gardnerville
Posts: 1,250
M.O.C. #17163
All I know is that Ford was suing Navistar for Warranty claims ... They ended up divorcing.. Buddy had one, said he "bullet Proofed' it.. about 6 month later issues started and he traded it in on an 18 ford? again?//// but the new Inhouse is supposed to be better.. I looked at them and Couldn't see the engine.. I guess the truck still has to be moved from the chassis to work on.....
dfb is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-19-2019, 07:41 PM   #8
jetskier
Montana Fan
 
jetskier's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2018
Location: Minden - NV
Posts: 499
M.O.C. #22360
Quote:
Originally Posted by dfb View Post
I looked at them and Couldn't see the engine.. I guess the truck still has to be moved from the chassis to work on.....

That's not true if you're referring to the 6.7L. Most work can be done just by popping the hood like any other truck. Mechanics will find a way to do the same work that Ford said to "remove cab" to minimize time and maximize the flat rate pay.
__________________
2013 F350 Lariat Ultimate CC LB
2019 3790RD
jetskier is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-19-2019, 08:54 PM   #9
QKnot
Seasoned Camper
 
Join Date: May 2019
Location: La Center
Posts: 53
M.O.C. #24001
Quote:
Originally Posted by BB_TX View Post
The 6.0 did indeed get a very bad reputation. And there are those that claim everyone of them will fail and cost you big money. But in fact, no one can actually tell you what percentage of those engines have actually failed. But even one in ten failing would be a very large number and get the bad press it gets. But that would mean nine in ten would be good. Most of those claiming disaster with the 6.0 will admit to have never owned one themselves. And typically because they own a different brand.


I did own two 6.0s, 2004 F250 and 2007 F350. Only issue was a cam sensor fail on the 2007 replaced under warranty. But I only had about 60,000 miles when I traded for the 2012 6.7 F350. Not because of any issues. Only because I made the mistake of walking thru the new truck lot when in for an oil change.
Interesting. Some friends of mine had 6.0s and I'd say that every one of them had their trucks heavily tuned when they failed. I'd be curious as to what the failure rate of the 6.0 would be on trucks that maintained the OEM programming. I think it gets a bad rap because people assumed that it could be tuned like the 7.3, but I could be mistaken.
QKnot is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-20-2019, 09:07 AM   #10
jetskier
Montana Fan
 
jetskier's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2018
Location: Minden - NV
Posts: 499
M.O.C. #22360
I have a 2000 7.3L and and the 6.7L. I'll take the 6.7L over the 7.3L. The 7.3L was a great engine for its time, but it's loud, harder to cold start and doesn't have the power without tuning and other hard part upgrades. My son drives it now and loves it. There is a stigma locally and it may extend beyond where guys are asking about double the book value of old 7.3L with 200-300k on the clock. The 6.0 and 6.4 don't seem to have that going for them.

I know the 6.0 had the EGR cooler issues and most did the block-off plates and tuning to fix. I think the 6.4 had more issues than any of them.
__________________
2013 F350 Lariat Ultimate CC LB
2019 3790RD
jetskier is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-21-2019, 11:58 AM   #11
saber707
Montana Fan
 
saber707's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2015
Location: Cedar Park
Posts: 135
M.O.C. #17531
Quote:
Originally Posted by dfb View Post
All I know is that Ford was suing Navistar for Warranty claims ... They ended up divorcing.. Buddy had one, said he "bullet Proofed' it.. about 6 month later issues started and he traded it in on an 18 ford? again?//// but the new Inhouse is supposed to be better.. I looked at them and Couldn't see the engine.. I guess the truck still has to be moved from the chassis to work on.....
Ford, GM and Dodge all have to have cab pulled for major work.
__________________
Jack & Rebecca
2015 Montana High Country
2006 Ford F250 SWB, 4X4, 6.0 diesel
saber707 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-21-2019, 12:07 PM   #12
dfb
Montana Master
 
Join Date: Mar 2015
Location: Gardnerville
Posts: 1,250
M.O.C. #17163
Never seen rams separated. I know if need be, the water pump can be changed on the ram on the side of the road. 2 bolts and can get to it.
dfb is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-21-2019, 01:16 PM   #13
BB_TX
Montana Master
 
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: McKinney
Posts: 7,133
M.O.C. #6433
Unless you are one of the small percentage that does your own mechanical repairs (which I once was) it really doesn’t matter. The superduty cab is designed to be easily removed ..... if you have the lift and know how. I would guess the others are also.

I can’t even remember the last time I had a water pump fail on any vehicle. 30 years maybe??????
__________________
Bill & Patricia
Riley, our Golden
2007 3075RL (recently sold, currently without)
BB_TX is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-21-2019, 03:46 PM   #14
mlh
Montana Master
 
Join Date: Oct 2004
Location: Salem
Posts: 7,528
M.O.C. #2283
I think removing the cab is a lot worse if you don’t haft to remove the cab on your truck or don’t know you haft to to do major work on your truck. If it’s someone else’s truck it’s just terrible.
Lynwood
__________________
www.harrellsprec.com
Lynwood Harrell
323 RL HC 2008 F250
mlh is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-23-2019, 01:49 PM   #15
CaptnJohn
Montana Master
 
Join Date: May 2017
Location: South East NC
Posts: 1,768
M.O.C. #19865
Had son in laws Caddy in for service. The GMC dealer has a special rack, 1st the cab goes up then the front clip. Both are high enough to work on, around, or under the truck. Easy engine removal too the mechanic said. He also stated it was easier and faster to pull them in pieces like that than to get it all up at once.
__________________
John & Patty
2022 3855 BR
2019 Lariat F350 4X4 Dually
CaptnJohn is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-25-2019, 01:08 PM   #16
Sdgood1
Montana Fan
 
Join Date: Mar 2019
Location: Chino Valley
Posts: 226
M.O.C. #23720
Had a 2006 f250 with the 6.0 at 58K it broke down and broke on every trip after that!! Printed out the stuff listed on internet that would break, and it did!! FINALLY got rid of it at 82K, it was so bad the ford dealer that sold it to us, didn't want it as a trade IN!!! Didn't buy my next truck from them. Still drive a ford, but with the 6.7 and so far (knock on wood) NO trouble with it.
__________________

Steven & Denise
New to us 2014 3150RL
Chino Valley, AZ
Sdgood1 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-25-2019, 01:28 PM   #17
Donjamin
Montana Fan
 
Donjamin's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2018
Location: Fullerton
Posts: 209
M.O.C. #22148
Send a message via Skype™ to Donjamin
I owned an ‘05 F-250 SD 6.0 diesel and kept if for 10 years. I sold it with about 105K miles on the odometer. Worst truck I’ve ever owned. The turbo was re-built four times under factory and extended warranty. The EGR went out twice and I had to replace one bank of fuel rails and injectors. Needless to say, loved the truck, hated the engine. Talking with the Ford service manager after the fourth turbo rebuild, he attributed the issues to poor quality diesel fuel being sold here in California. Since my truck was a daily driver/commuter, I’m sure the stop and go traffic here on So Cal freeways was also a contributing factor.

Don
__________________
Donjamin & Laurie
Fullerton, CA
2016 Montana Legacy, 3160RL
2015 Ford F-250 SD 4X4
Donjamin is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-25-2019, 01:38 PM   #18
Hooch on Wheels
Established Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2019
Location: Columbia
Posts: 42
M.O.C. #23495
Had a 2006 F250 Diesel. Fortunately when we bought it we bought the extended warranty. First time it blew was under factory warranty. The next two times was under the extended warranty. Guess we got one with issues. Now have a 2015 F250 diesel, No problems. Love me some Ford trucks
J&C
Hooch on Wheels
Hooch on Wheels is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-25-2019, 02:17 PM   #19
leemedic
Montana Fan
 
leemedic's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2013
Location: Lehigh Acres
Posts: 492
M.O.C. #13354
High Cost Truck

I have a 2006 6.0 dually now with 128,000 miles.

It has cost me a mint!

1. FICM failed
2. Turbo rebuilt 2 times
3. EGR failed.
4. Oil Cooler failed
5. Dropped a valve
6. Two transmissions have failed
7. 2 Fan Clutch fans have failed
8. Oil pump failed

I have always taken great care of it, oil changed on time, serviced transmissions, changed cooling fluid, added cooling fluid filter.

She has been a lemon.

Under the recommendation of my Ford service manager I had the new hardened head studs put in by my Power Stroke mechanic.

For a while there, every time I towed with it, I had a failure. Max speed 65 mph.

I have lost almost confidence in her and would like to change up to a Dodge Ram with a Cummins. One day I will break the bank and go for one.
leemedic is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-25-2019, 02:28 PM   #20
CaptnJohn
Montana Master
 
Join Date: May 2017
Location: South East NC
Posts: 1,768
M.O.C. #19865
I had a 7.3 then went to 6.7. Now on my 4th and never a problem. Missed the problems of the 6.0 and 6.4.
__________________
John & Patty
2022 3855 BR
2019 Lariat F350 4X4 Dually
CaptnJohn is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Forum Jump

» Featured Campgrounds

Reviews provided by

Powered by vBadvanced CMPS v3.2.3
Disclaimer:

This website is not affiliated with or endorsed by Montana RV, Keystone RV Company or any of its affiliates. This is an independent, unofficial site.


All times are GMT -6. The time now is 11:32 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.9
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.