2008 f250/ or 2008 f350 drw.

[okierver]

here is my dilema i have a 2008 f250 c/c singel axle 6.4 dsl and pull my 2014 3625 monty. power and everything ok towing ok just close to limit on rear axle weight but good overall gcvw.by 850-1000lbs. i found a 2008 f350 drw with 6.4 dsl and 56.000 miles 10,000 less than my f250. problem is according to trailer guide towing my f250 6.4 will pull 15.700 5th wheel where the f350 drw 4x4 will pull 15.200. i thought the dually would give me a lottle more towing capacity. but according to trailer life its 500 lbs. less. my question is even if its 500 lbs. less wouldnt the dually ultimately be better for my pin weight and overall towing. the price is listed at 33.000 not a bad price for that year and its a king ranch. am i not gaining anything going to the dually in the 08 year.from my 08 f250 i came here nowing on the expertise out there and trust the judgement of my moc'ers over a saleman

[davidaf]

The DRW will really help with pin weight and stability. My guess is you are over GVWR with the 5er, passengers and stuff. Many say the 250 or 350 SRW does just fine but having owned both i'll never go back to a SRW for towing. If it were my money I'd look around for a DRW with the 4.30 rear end to get the additional towing capacity since my next trailer will probably be heavier. The 4.10 loses 2500lb of towing capacity to the 4.30.

Also I'd go straight to the source for tow and load specs if it wasn't on the vehicles door. As far as I can tell the tow ratings are near equal for both vehicles all things being equal (4x4, c/c etc):
http://www.fleet.ford.com/resources/...TTgdeSep08.pdf for tow ratings.
https://www.fleet.ford.com/truckbbas...0-450_08bb.pdf

[washley1]

I agree with all that davidaf said. I own a 2008 F350 dually with the 6.4, King Ranch, and a 4.30 rear end. It tows my roughly 16000 lb (loaded) Big Sky beautifully. The ride is stable, starts and more importantly stops are smooth, both here on the Florida flatland and high in the Canadian Rockies. I did all my homework back in 08 and it paid off! Good hunting!

[okierver]

thanks walt i like the king ranch it already has airbags and a on board compressor for air. i think the 350 would be fine not sure or rear axle ratio yet. 3.73 and 4.10 are both tated for 15300 lbs 5.ver. with a gcwr of 23500. dont think ill get close to the gcwr.

[Tom S.]

quote:Originally posted by okierver

thanks walt i like the king ranch it already has airbags and a on board compressor for air. i think the 350 would be fine not sure or rear axle ratio yet. 3.73 and 4.10 are both tated for 15300 lbs 5.ver. with a gcwr of 23500. dont think ill get close to the gcwr.

You may be closer than you think to the GCWR. Our 2013 3625 actual weight is 15,125 and our 2014 Chevy dually weighs 9,100 for a total of 24,225 or 725 more than your GCWR.

[jlb27537]

The DRW truck will have a lower tow rating because of the extra weight of the truck's extra 2 wheels. If you look at the sticker on the door post between the front and rear doors, down low, the options are listed. The axle ratio will be there. 4.3, 4.1, 3.7 etc. Being a F350 it will probably be a 4.1. The 4.3 ratio was usually in the F450 back then.

[Irlpguy]

According to the information on the posted link the 2008 F250 and F350 SRW has a max towing capacity of 15,700 that is with 3.73 rear end and the only ratio available in the SRW. The F350 DRW does not show the 3.73 rear ends as an option, but with the 4.10 the max towing capacity was 16,200, that is 500 lbs more than either the F250 or F350 with the SRW.

I don't think the axle ratio is shown on the sticker on the door but the GVWR and both GAWR for front and rear axles should be shown on that sticker.

I would be more concerned with the GVWR of the F250 SRW when compared to the F350 DRW, The F250 will be less and that is where you may either be very close to being over, or even over the GVWR with your current F250.

As has also been noted the F350 DRW will have a heavier "curb" weight than the F250/F350 SRW but not significantly.

Check the sticker on both units and compare the GVWR and both the front and rear GAWR, this is where you will notice the biggest difference I would think.

If you can get into the F350 DRW with minimal cost difference, I would go for it, all other things being equal of course.

[okierver]

thanks so far everyone. i had the monty weighed last june 2014 not sure if it was a weekend trip or not but everything in at that time and the monty weighed 13840.gross weight trailer axle 9600 and drive axle 4240. the second weight ticket was truck/trailer combo steer axle 4420 drive axle 6220 trailer axle 10820 and a gross wt of 21460.
with those current weights i think the f350 drw will work fine and help me with the pin weight. although im not over my gcvw of 23000 for my f250 6.4 i think the f350 would help on my rear axle weight.

[Irlpguy]

quote:Originally posted by okierver

thanks so far everyone. i had the monty weighed last june 2014 not sure if it was a weekend trip or not but everything in at that time and the monty weighed 13840.gross weight trailer axle 9600 and drive axle 4240. the second weight ticket was truck/trailer combo steer axle 4420 drive axle 6220 trailer axle 10820 and a gross wt of 21460.
with those current weights i think the f350 drw will work fine and help me with the pin weight. although im not over my gcvw of 23000 for my f250 6.4 i think the f350 would help on my rear axle weight.

I am confused with the weights you have posted. The weights on the second ticket make sense and are similar to mine albeit I have both a different truck and model Montana and am heavier all around.

I don't understand in the first ticket the trailer axles weighed 9600 lbs but on the second ticket they weighed 10,820 lbs. Also on the first ticket you show the drive axle as weighing 4240 lbs, is that the weight of the TV drive axle not attached to the trailer.

If you weigh the TV steering axle and drive axle ready to roll but not hooked up, you will know the weight of each axle, adding them will give you the actual gross weight of the TV. Then when you weigh the truck loaded the same but hooked up to the trailer, again weighing the steering axle, drive axle and trailer axle, you can then compare the weight distribution on the steering axle and drive axle, combined they equal the GW of the TV when hooked up. Subtracting the GW not hooked up from the GW hooked up will give you your pin weight.

Your second ticket appears to give you your GCW at that particular time. What you do not know is the pin weight or the weight of the TV alone.

[davidaf]

Sounds like the 08 DRW will be a good fit. You know, at some point you'll need to load more than a can of beans, a pan, a change of clothes and a roll of toilet paper in that Montana .. Seriously though, good job keeping the weight down.

quote:Originally posted by okierver

thanks so far everyone. i had the monty weighed last june 2014 not sure if it was a weekend trip or not but everything in at that time and the monty weighed 13840.gross weight trailer axle 9600 and drive axle 4240. the second weight ticket was truck/trailer combo steer axle 4420 drive axle 6220 trailer axle 10820 and a gross wt of 21460.
with those current weights i think the f350 drw will work fine and help me with the pin weight. although im not over my gcvw of 23000 for my f250 6.4 i think the f350 would help on my rear axle weight.

[vibetech1]

Personally I wouldn't own a Ford with a 6.4 diesel without a warranty. We had a 2008 F350 and sold it after experiencing turbo issues requiring the cab of the truck to be lifted off the frame for repairs. The labor for lifting the cab alone is $800.00. The same thing has to happen if you have issues with the injector pump. The last time I picked our truck up after repairs the service tech took me back to the service bay and pointed out 3 Halliburton trucks with the cabs lifted off their frames for injector pump repairs. That made me a believer. We sold ours just before the extended warranty expired.

Sorry to be a downer but just speaking from experience.

[richfaa]

72 K miles pulling Montana's with our 6.4L and not a drive train issue. We do have the Ford ESP

[ColoradoPriorMarines]

Originally Posted by washley1

I agree with all that davidaf said. I own a 2008 F350 dually with the 6.4, King Ranch, and a 4.30 rear end. It tows my roughly 16000 lb (loaded) Big Sky beautifully. The ride is stable, starts and more importantly stops are smooth, both here on the Florida flatland and high in the Canadian Rockies. I did all my homework back in 08 and it paid off! Good hunting!

We are looking to upgrade to a (used) 2008 F450 from a F250 7.3L. Do you have any trouble with your 6.4L and the DPF?

[YOPPER]

Make sure your ford has the heated tailgate

[mlh]

ColoradoPryerMarines
I have an 08 6.4 Ford and haven’t had any trouble with the DPF for 9 years. That is how long it’s been laying in my tractor shed, beside all the other pollution controls. We have had a lot of discussions about tuners lately. If it were my truck I would order a Spartan tuner before I brought the truck home. I know what it will do for a 6.4 Ford and you will love it. I use the 210 HP tow haul tune. It is a DIFFERENT truck a better truck. The tuner has many tunes in it, from zero extra HP to 350 extra HP and that is at the rear wheel not the fly wheel and that a big difference. The 210 tune gives you about 600 HP and 1100, 1200 pound feet of torque. It will pull!
Lynwood
Oh one more thing you won’t need the heated tailgate.

[mtlakejim]

Hmmmm well anytime you start talking trucks it opens up a whole can of worms and every one and their brother has thoughts on it. There are several threads on here where we duke it out over if the 4x4 is better than 2x4 and short box vs long box and Ford vs Ram etc.....When it all boils down to the nitty gritty it is mostly personal taste and what do you use the truck for. However there is one thing NO ONE should argue with SAFETY should be the first consideration!


To that end, if I may be sold bold and I am sure folks will disagree:
The duallys are safer because they are more stable and offer a higher level of braking ability. Remember safety isn't about anything except how well can you stop the truck and how stable is it with a load behind it. Hands down the dual rear wheel trucks win in those two categories!


From my own personal experience. I just traded off a Ford F250 gas for a Ram 3500 diesel dually. I can't even start to describe the difference in power, braking and stability! You will not regret going to the dually period exclamation point! You will also never ever regret having MORE truck than you need so go ahead and get one that is considerably over rated for what you tow! No one ever slammed on the brakes in an emergency stop and said "gee I wish I had less truck to stop the load behind me"......


And for you folks who are going to start talking about fuel mileage, turning radius, parking and such.....does that really matter when your towing the size campers we tow? Seeerrrriiiiioooouuuuuusssslllllyyyyy? Does any of that matter when you go over the cliff because you couldn't stop? ITS ALL ABOUT PULLING THE LOAD SAFELY GUYS!!! Get the one ton dually and be done with it.

[richfaa]

One ton dually.....

[TLightning]

okierver, you mentioned a lot of numbers, but not the GVWR of the 250. Most likely you are over that weight limit.