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Old 02-10-2018, 04:04 PM   #21
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While I don't believe a special license should be required, I do feel that anyone pulling a trailer of any size needs to be reasonable proficient at backing it. You never know when you might find yourself in a position that requires you to back around a corner to get out of a jam. If anyone is not comfortable with their backing than they could find an empty parking lot with lines and practice putting the trailer between them from different angles. Backing is not hard, it's just takes a little practice.
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Old 02-10-2018, 07:26 PM   #22
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Just looked this up on CA DMV web. "With a class C license you may tow a 5th wheel trailer that weighs less than 15,000 lbs."
End of discussion. If you do not believe me Google it yourself.
Not exactly. This has been beat to death here previously. Read the "Recreational Vehicles and Trailers Handbook" in its entirety and on Page 12 you will find the "oh by the way" requirement to add a Restriction 41 to your Class C license if:

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Additionally, as almost all the Montanas (not HC) are over 15K you will need a Non-Commercial Class A license in CA. Same written test as the Restriction 41 endorsement plus a driving test and a self completed physical form.

P.S. did you all realize this an year and half old posting?
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Old 02-11-2018, 05:47 AM   #23
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[FONT=Comic Sans MS][SIZE=3][COLOR=RoyalBlue]So wrong. This has been beat to to death here previously. Read the "
Additionally almost all the Montanas (not HC) are over 15K you will need a Non-Commercial Class A license in CA. Same written test as the Restriction 41 endorsement plus a driving test and a self completed physical form.

P.S. did you all realize this an year and half old posting?

The thread may be a year and a half old but it is "new" for the newbies here. BTW almost half of the HCs over 15K. Okay may 1.5 years ago they were lighter. I am still trying to see what my driving exam here in Texas will consist of.
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Old 02-11-2018, 07:09 AM   #24
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Hi

If you think the alley test is hard in a Montana try using a 53 ft trailer.

I hold a class A CDL.

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Old 02-11-2018, 07:14 AM   #25
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The thread may be a year and a half old but it is "new" for the newbies here. BTW almost half of the HCs over 15K. Okay may 1.5 years ago they were lighter. I am still trying to see what my driving exam here in Texas will consist of.
This link may give you some insight for Texas

http://www.rvnetwork.com/topic/12534...-upgrade-faqs/

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Old 02-11-2018, 10:46 AM   #26
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OK I stand corrected will apply for recreational trailer endorsement.
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Old 02-11-2018, 11:01 AM   #27
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Not exactly. This has been beat to death here previously. Read the "Recreational Vehicles and Trailers Handbook" in its entirety and on Page 12 you will find the "oh by the way" requirement to add a Restriction 41 to your Class C license if:

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Additionally, as almost all the Montanas (not HC) are over 15K you will need a Non-Commercial Class A license in CA. Same written test as the Restriction 41 endorsement plus a driving test and a self completed physical form.

P.S. did you all realize this an year and half old posting?
Ours weighs 12200 empty and 13k loaded.. Model 3610..
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Old 02-11-2018, 06:00 PM   #28
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Vipermanden, did you ever get your license, or what did you decide to do?
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Old 02-14-2018, 09:05 PM   #29
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As a Retired ( 42 years behind the wheel ) truck driver with over 6,000,000 miles I'm all for the non commercial driving test in all states but I think it should include all RV's trust me when I say that I've seen some real nightmare recreational driving stunts in my years on the road.
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Old 02-14-2018, 10:32 PM   #30
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Driving tests don't seem to keep knuckleheads driving cars off the road. Enforcement when someone is not in control and breaking the rules may be a better option.
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Old 02-15-2018, 06:02 AM   #31
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So the set up as described puts a 5er RV driver at a disadvantage from a regular transport trailer as the wheels on a trans trailer are situated at the rear of the trailer with little to no overhang. Surely the DMV takes this into consideration for the testing ?

As someone who has spent many years backing both up into tight spots I can tell you that a trans trailer will always be the easier unit due in part to the pivot point of the rear wheels being at the rear of the trailer while many large 5er's have a significant overhang behind and the axles are more mid point mounted.

After a couple times it is usually a non issue except in a circumstance as described above.... Sounds a little to prescriptive however I am all in favour of the requirements to demonstrate you can safely drive it in traffic, know safe following stopping distances, be able to maneuver in tight spots and can back it up safely and successfully.....

Far too many on the road that can't.......
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Old 02-15-2018, 10:39 AM   #32
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I must have to agree with an RV / trailer ' cabover , boat etc endorsement... One of the first things I see is those pulling RVs at 70 and faster. Speed is the number one thing I see. However, one must also be knowledgeable about weight, Tires, hitches, chains, etc.. I see 3/4 ton trucks pulling triple axle trailers.. WRONG.. If you don't have the Truck you cant buy THAT RV.. Period... Or, you need to downsize your RV.. I see 1/2 ton trucks pulling large trailers, or Toyotas or whatever.. Right tool for the job... Now i hear some say, "yea, it will pull it, but will it stop it".. WRONG.. THE trailer brakes stop the trailer not the truck.. Anyway.. Bought one ton dually Cummins Aisin, 4:10s auto level... now I don't have to worry .....
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Old 02-15-2018, 07:45 PM   #33
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dub, I agree with your statement re the difference between a fiver and a commercial trailer. Placement of the wheels is what is the problem and allowances should be made.

That said I am in big favor of some sort of additional training or licensing for anyone pulling a large trailer. Or for that matter a moter home. I have seen people pulling a fiver in the car pool lane in CA??? For thouse who don't know in CA when pulling a trailer of ANY size you are limited to 55 MPH and staying in the right two lanes. From what I have been able to see that is the best kept secret in the state.
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Old 02-16-2018, 07:26 AM   #34
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Sounds like an enforcement issue, if they did I would imagine the behaviours would soon change and they would all fall in line in the two lanes at 55-60mph after some fines were posted.

In my experience the posted speed is a guide on major freeways that means very little as long as traffic is flowing smoothly. Posted limits at 60mph usually means driving 70mph with police not even glancing at the vehicles as long as they are operating safely.

Left lane on major freeways pretty much everywhere are not supposed to be taken by commercial trucks but for anyone out there driving alot you will notice that despite the rules many licensed drivers seem to migrate into the lane regularly....... Enforcement is lax unless they are impeding traffic flow in most cases....
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Old 02-16-2018, 09:00 AM   #35
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Va don’t have any special licenses for RVs of any kind. Everybody here seams to get along just fine. I agree with one of our state senators, now deceased, “every time we make a law we take away somebody’s rights”.
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The thread may be a year and a half old but it is "new" for the newbies here. BTW almost half of the HCs over 15K. Okay may 1.5 years ago they were lighter. I am still trying to see what my driving exam here in Texas will consist of.
Hey Jeff, if you find out post back here. Thanks
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