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05-04-2019, 04:58 PM
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#101
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Established Member
Join Date: Jan 2019
Location: Monterey
Posts: 10
M.O.C. #23278
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Thanks for the video update. Good info, but a lot of maybe's and "it should be okay" from the sub contractor/manufacturers who haven't spent many thousands on a Montana. Just like Al D., Keystone rejected the claim on our 2018 HC 345RL. Got it back from the dealer 2 weeks ago after spending $1500 for an Eternal Bond membrane repair. Still don't agree with no mention of a possible defect when we purchased the coach new. Problem could have been solved right from the start with the drip pans.
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05-06-2019, 03:22 AM
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#102
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Established Member
Join Date: Apr 2019
Location: Beverly Hills
Posts: 20
M.O.C. #23835
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I agree and would be interested in participating.
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05-07-2019, 11:45 AM
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Montana Fan
Join Date: Mar 2018
Location: Atlanta
Posts: 359
M.O.C. #21337
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Thank You Keystone - This Warranty work is done
Surprisingly quick
Kudos to northgaterv.com who is standing behind their customers
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Montana 3123RL Legacy 'Boon-docking Edition'
RAM 3500 Mega Cab Cummins Diesel DRW
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05-07-2019, 04:11 PM
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#104
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New Member
Join Date: Mar 2019
Location: Los Angeles
Posts: 4
M.O.C. #23733
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Purchased a 2019 310RL this past April. Found this thread a month ago and called Keystone about the known issue of the slider motors leaking. Keystone rep stated the decision to add leak trays as part of the standard install was made in the summer of 2018. Mine came down the line in April of 2018 so no trays. Trailer is in the shop now to have the trays installed and to address a few other minor issues. Glad I found this forum and thanks to all of you who take the time to contribute.
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08-17-2019, 01:57 PM
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Seasoned Camper
Join Date: Feb 2019
Location: Saint Louis
Posts: 63
M.O.C. #23419
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Took delivery on my 2019 HC 384BR in June 2018. I orderded it so the build date was late May with no drip pans. Found this post and 3 of 4 slides have leaked and I have bubbles on the roofs. I called the motor manufacturer and they shipped me the drip pans. I installed 2 of them and had the dealer install the 2 where the moldings had to be removed. They patched half the bubbles on the roofs. I'm going to address it with Keystone at the Rally.
My question is how was this delivered in May 2018 without drip pans for a known problem.?
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2019 HC 384BR
2022 F350 KingRanch FX4 LB
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08-17-2019, 02:06 PM
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#106
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Montana Fan
Join Date: Apr 2016
Location: Medford
Posts: 498
M.O.C. #18546
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Harrisden54
My question is how was this delivered in May 2018 without drip pans for a known problem.?
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Because Keystone doesn't care!
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2020 Chevrolet Silverado 3500 HD LT CC 4x4 Duramax
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08-17-2019, 04:16 PM
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#107
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Montana Master
Join Date: Sep 2013
Location: Pensacola (mail forward service)
Posts: 3,198
M.O.C. #13740
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Or the assembly line worker ran out of time or didn't care.
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2012 F350 6.7 L dually, 2013 3800RE with 6 pt leveling, Sumitomo 17.5" load range h tires, Samsung 18 cu ft residential fridge, 8k Morryde I.S. with disc brakes. Full timing since 2012.
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08-17-2019, 08:07 PM
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#108
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Established Member
Join Date: Jan 2019
Location: Monterey
Posts: 10
M.O.C. #23278
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When we took delivery of our HC345RL in April 2018, not a word was said about leaks or drip pans. 23 months later I read about the problem on this site and found bubbles on all 4 slides. When I called Keystone their response was, see the dealer for an evaluation. They were extremely good at not mentioning anything negative such as "leak or defect." I asked why I didn't receive a factory letter as stated in my owner's manual regarding an obvious defective part. The lady kind of slipped up and said that NHTSA doesn't require us to do it. !!! So, if it isn't a possible life threatening problem, where they are MANDATED to report it, Keystone wasn't going to fess up to the problem. A company gains a lot of respect from me if they say... We have a possible problem on some units and here's an easy fix. Instead, Keystone hid the problem and easy solution from me. Then the claim was denied as being to far out of warranty and it cost me big bucks to repair the membranes.
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04-11-2020, 06:44 AM
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Montana Fan
Join Date: Mar 2018
Location: Atlanta
Posts: 359
M.O.C. #21337
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Quote:
Originally Posted by suny07
oh nooooo... I was checking last autumn and thought we have been lucky on this issue
taking camper out of winter storage and found this
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Hi,
just an update after the pan fix.
It seams they are right that no further grease should ron through the overflow.
Those pans are now in a year and even the Georgia Summer Heat did not force grease out.
All looks good now.
Mike
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RAM 3500 Mega Cab Cummins Diesel DRW
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05-12-2020, 12:55 PM
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#110
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New Member
Join Date: Dec 2019
Location: Corpus Christi
Posts: 6
M.O.C. #25538
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We purchased our HM331RL in February of 2019. Build date of August of 2018. No drip pans and leaking motors. Keystone told us that overuse can cause them to heat up and leak. No issue with overuse. Cleaned roof, retracted slides, drove dealer, oil on roof. They inspected, cleaned roof, retracted slides, drove home, extended slides, leaking oil. Maybe if they are never used they wont leak, doubtful.
Local dealer was informed to install drip pans and Patch the roof.
All 3 slide motors leaking and roof bubbling. Emailed Keystone, what was I thinking, to complain about lack of notification and band aid fix. Waiting on response. From the forum I take it that the response wont be what I want.
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05-12-2020, 01:59 PM
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#111
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Established Member
Join Date: Apr 2019
Location: Beverly Hills
Posts: 20
M.O.C. #23835
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Keystone response
Sadly, this BS about overuse is just another example of mixed messaging coming from Keystone. What is overuse? How many times can you run the slides in and out to be overusing? This is ridiculous. I had a rep try to tell me that I had to do annual maintenance on the gearboxes by adding oil. Of course, the gearboxes and motors are sealed.
The facts are that in 2016-17 the manufacturer of the slide motors and gearboxes changed designs which resulted in sealed units leaking oil. Now, what is in the gearboxes is actually grease, but as temperatures warm up the grease liquefies, and increases the volume in the gearbox causing it to leak at the weld. From what I understand, once a sufficient amount of liquid grease leaks out, the volume will never reach the area of the leak again. This problem runs along many brands owned by Keystone, and Thor industries. FYI, there will be two areas of damage to the roofs, first the outboard edge, for when the slide is in and unit leaks, and then the inboard edge behind the molding, this occurs when the slide is extended.
By the time they were building your unit, they were installing drip pans post-production in units that had been sold. They certainly had time to develop the "Industry standard of repair" of putting eternabond tape down over the bubbles. (Between my fighting with Keystone, and Camping World screwing up the industry-standard repair, I got new roofs) Even the idiots at Camping World was aware of the issue, enough that they stocked the drip pans in their service department. However, that didn't keep them from selling units without drip pans or of notifying buyers of the potential problem. So, keep pounding on them and maybe even look at some of the RV lemon lawyers. There has been discussion of a class action suit, but no one has been able to get one started.
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05-12-2020, 04:52 PM
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#112
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Established Member
Join Date: Jan 2019
Location: Monterey
Posts: 10
M.O.C. #23278
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J&S, The response I got from Customer Support Manager Darcy Linton was that I either used or stored the unit in hot weather. I bought it from Lazy Days in Florida. Pretty cool weather down there compared to using/storing it here in middle Tennessee. Good luck and don't let the door hit you in the *ss on the way out !
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