GVW for 2500 &250 Trucks

[bigred715]

It seems that the trailers are getting heavier. Are the newer trucks, 250 and 3500 able to pull the bigger trailers if they are not duallies?This pertains to Ford, Chevy and Dodge. What are the GVWs of the three in the non-dually type?

[commish]

We noticed the wind pulling us around with the old Chevy HD 3/4 so we got a big truck and it is all better.

[Tom S.]

You can find out each truck's towing and carrying capacity by going to their websites. Both numbers are affected by various options, such as 2wd vs. 4wd, crew cab long bed vs. extended cab short bed, so I doubt anyone here could accurately answer your question.

[Hooker]

quote:Originally posted by bigred715

... Are the newer trucks, 250 and 3500 able to pull the bigger trailers if they are not duallies?...

Pulling is not the issue, any diesel will "pull" any Montana. The issue is the ability to carry the pin weight and remain within specs.

[jlb27537]

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Once you pull with a DRW truck, you will never go back.

My little 3150RL has 3,000-3,400lbs of pin weight. Depending on the trip. With the 60 gal RDS fuel tank, hitch, tool box my truck will weigh close to 8,500lbs before the trailer is connected, then add 3,400 lbs the truck will gross 11,900 then add passengers and you are up to 12,300. No single wheel truck will have the GVWR to carry that weight.

Yea, a SRW will tow it, but you will be over your trucks GVWR.

[DQDick]

Tom is correct. A few 2,500's are actually rated as high or higher than low end 3500's. Doesn't make sense, but I've seen it for myself.

[Tom S.]

quote:Originally posted by jlb27537

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Once you pull with a DRW truck, you will never go back.

My little 3150RL has 3,000-3,400lbs of pin weight. Depending on the trip. With the 60 gal RDS fuel tank, hitch, tool box my truck will weigh close to 8,500lbs before the trailer is connected, then add 3,400 lbs the truck will gross 11,900 then add passengers and you are up to 12,300. No single wheel truck will have the GVWR to carry that weight.

Yea, a SRW will tow it, but you will be over your trucks GVWR.

The 2015 Silverado 3500 SRW Crew Cab standard box has the following ratings:
Max Payload: 4,159lbs
Max 5th Wheel Weight: 17,400lbs
GCVW: 24,500

So yes it will tow it and it WILL be within limits.

[Artemus Gordon]

Tom S is correct. Further it's more this pulling capability. Brake size, cooling issues and last stability. I frankly would never use anything less that a 3500, but that's my opinion.

[jlb27537]

Hi Tom, What size tires are on the '15 SRW and what are the axle GVWR ratings and what is the trucks actual weight per axle?

Till I run it across the scales I would not feel comfortable with those numbers.

Jim

[1retired06]

Pin Weight for our 3915 is a no-go for a SRW. DRW provides nice increase in tow weight capacity as well.

[Tom S.]

quote:Originally posted by jlb27537

Hi Tom, What size tires are on the '15 SRW and what are the axle GVWR ratings and what is the trucks actual weight per axle?

Till I run it across the scales I would not feel comfortable with those numbers.

Jim

Chevrolet Website: http://www.chevrolet.com/silverado-3...abilities.html

[bigred715]

Tom, I went on that web site and built a 3500HD double cab single wheel truck, and the MSRP was $61,870. It had 11,600 GVW which is a great improvement from my 9,900 GVW of my 2007. Way too much money for my budget, but a really nice truck. The same truck, except a dually was 13,200 GVW I think. This is a better choice for the heavier Montanas.

[Irlpguy]

Unfortunately TomS left out the most important component of a TV and that is the GVWR, the truck he referred to has a 11,500 GVWR. If you subtract the "curb" weight which includes the standard equipment on that particular vehicle but does not include passengers or hitch or other items loaded into the truck you have a carrying capacity of 11,500 - 7455 = 4045 lbs. start adding in passengers, the dog and perhaps a tool box, generator, extra fuel tank and so on, plus the pin weight on most heavier 5th wheels that are running between 3000 and 3400 or so loaded you are left with anywhere from 700 to just over 1000 lbs for passengers and any cargo.

Will it pull it, of course it will, will you be under the GVWR of the TV, not likely and if you are it won't be by a very big safety margin.

The additional GVWR capacity of a DRW truck and the added stability make it a no brainer in my opinion, if you are considering a heavier Montana go for the greatest GVWR available.

[Tom S.]

quote:Originally posted by Irlpguy



The additional GVWR capacity of a DRW truck and the added stability make it a no brainer in my opinion, if you are considering a heavier Montana go for the greatest GVWR available.

Using that scenario, you should get a F-450 or F-550. Heck, maybe even a Freightliner or a Peterbilt. After all, safety is everything and you never know when you might have to add your mother-in-law and her two great danes.

[mlh]

Don't forget there are no universal standards for tow limits for 3/4 and 1 ton trucks. So the limits of one co. may not be the same for another co. Everybody adopted SAE tow limits for the 1/2 ton trucks for 2015 but not for the heavy duty pickup trucks. Until we get a level playing field they are hard to compare. The new tow limits for the 2015 F150 with the 3.5 Ecoboost go up to 12500 pounds with a 2450 pound carry weight. I could pull my High Country with one but I think I will just keep my one old F250 diesel.
Lynwood

[Irlpguy]

I think it was pretty obvious the discussion did not include the likes of a F450 nor a Freightliner.

You stated emphatically:

quote:The 2015 Silverado 3500 SRW Crew Cab standard box has the following ratings:
Max Payload: 4,159lbs
Max 5th Wheel Weight: 17,400lbs
GCVW: 24,500

So yes it will tow it and it WILL be within limits.

You did not include the GVWR in this statement and it is certainly within the distinct realm of possibility that the GVWR of 11,500 could be exceeded, without the Mother in Law and her two mutts.

I stand by my comment of going with the greater GVWR of a DRW truck in any of the 1 ton models of the big three manufacturers and not a SRW.

If I could afford a Freightliner and did not need a daily driver I would have one, but then I would not have a Montana behind it.

[1retired06]

quote:Originally posted by Irlpguy

I think it was pretty obvious the discussion did not include the likes of a F450 nor a Freightliner.

You stated emphatically:

You did not include the GVWR in this statement and it is certainly within the distinct realm of possibility that the GVWR of 11,500 could be exceeded, without the Mother in Law and her two mutts.

I stand by my comment of going with the greater GVWR of a DRW truck in any of the 1 ton models of the big three manufacturers and not a SRW.

If I could afford a Freightliner and did not need a daily driver I would have one, but then I would not have a Montana behind it.

Right on all points.

[Tom S.]

quote:Originally posted by Irlpguy

I think it was pretty obvious the discussion did not include the likes of a F450 nor a Freightliner.

You stated emphatically:

You did not include the GVWR in this statement and it is certainly within the distinct realm of possibility that the GVWR of 11,500 could be exceeded, without the Mother in Law and her two mutts.

I stand by my comment of going with the greater GVWR of a DRW truck in any of the 1 ton models of the big three manufacturers and not a SRW.

If I could afford a Freightliner and did not need a daily driver I would have one, but then I would not have a Montana behind it.

And you stated:

"The additional GVWR capacity of a DRW truck and the added stability make it a no brainer in my opinion, if you are considering a heavier Montana go for the greatest GVWR available." (emphasis added)

I don't see any exclusion of larger trucks in that statement, but that's OK, I'm wrong and you're right.

[mlh]

http://www.automobilemag.com/feature...ss_sniff_test/
Did you ever wonder why when you add two extra wheels to a truck the tow limit is increased? Could it be that a duley is held to lower standard? Read this you may be surprised.
Lynwood

[jlb27537]

Hi Tom,

Notice you are pulling with a DRW truck.... Is there a reason for that since the SRW trucks are so capable?

Or do you just like to spend more money on a couple extra wheels or do you like the safety margin a DRW truck provides.

After all, they all pull just fine.

Jim