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05-15-2018, 08:49 PM
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Montana Master
Join Date: Aug 2015
Location: SWFL
Posts: 964
M.O.C. #17801
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We Don't Need No Stinkin' Balancing
Saw an RV towing a car on a dolly today. Left side dolly tire was bouncing up and down, and the shock was carried up to the car tire as I could see it moving up and down, too. Now, I suppose the tire could be out-of-round, but I'll bet it was out of balance.
I don't know why some folks don't balance dolly or trailer tires, or why some tire shops say they never balance trailer tires. Maybe they heard it from a friend of a friend's great-great grandfather.
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05-16-2018, 05:38 AM
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Montana Master
Join Date: Apr 2013
Location: Arroyo City
Posts: 3,110
M.O.C. #13395
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Some people believe if they don’t feel the vibration, it doesn’t happen
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05-16-2018, 07:04 AM
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Montana Master
Join Date: Feb 2012
Location: Lake Gaston
Posts: 8,773
M.O.C. #12156
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Agree, we have always balanced.
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2002 3655 FL, 2005 3650RK
2010 3665RE, 2015 3910FB
F350 crew cab dually 6.7
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05-16-2018, 09:16 AM
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Montana Master
Join Date: Jul 2014
Location: Upstate NY
Posts: 1,788
M.O.C. #14547
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When I put new tires on this and the last 5er, was told that they "never balance trailer tires". Wrong! You WILL balance mine. A couple have 3-4 ounces which without would have been 'bouncy time' and the accompanying wear and tear on the RV. Maybe a utility trailer wont get balanced tires but any RV I own will since at 60 or so MPH, those are not supposed to bounce.
(Hmmmm - I wonder if that dolly had a tire with a bubble or tread starting to separate)
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Dave W
2014 Montana High Country 343RL (Sold!)
2011 Ford 6.7 Lariat CCLB (Went to PU Heaven)
2019 F150SC XLT SE Sport,w/full tow package
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05-16-2018, 10:08 AM
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Site Team
Join Date: Sep 2017
Location: Oro Valley
Posts: 3,933
M.O.C. #20477
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More likely a bent wheel or bad tire than a simple lack of balance. Don't disagree that it is good to balance.
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Zack and Donna plus Millie and Ranger
2018 3160RL
"Life is too short to stay indoors, enjoy the ride!"
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05-16-2018, 10:23 AM
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Montana Master
Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: North Ridgeville
Posts: 20,229
M.O.C. #2839
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We have the RV tires balanced always have..End of story.
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05-16-2018, 11:39 AM
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Montana Master
Join Date: Sep 2014
Location: Full Timer In Naples, Florida
Posts: 1,049
M.O.C. #15731
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Just make sure you Lug center balance and not the hub center like 90% of all tire places do.
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2017, 3500 Ram Big Horn, 4x4, Crew Cab, DRW, Aisin Transmission, 4:10. Curt Q20, 2014 Mountaineer 331 RLT, Sailun's on the rv and truck.
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05-16-2018, 12:55 PM
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Montana Master
Join Date: Oct 2004
Location: Salem
Posts: 7,552
M.O.C. #2283
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I balance all tires except my lawnmower and tractor. I can’t find any reason not to. It’s just common sense. If you got it use it.
Lynwood
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05-16-2018, 01:56 PM
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Montana Master
Join Date: Oct 2017
Location: Bastrop
Posts: 2,892
M.O.C. #20753
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Quote:
Originally Posted by mlh
I balance all tires except my lawnmower and tractor. I can’t find any reason not to. It’s just common sense. If you got it use it.
Lynwood
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Then you are not pushing your lawn mower fast enough!!!
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05-16-2018, 02:08 PM
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Montana Master
Join Date: Oct 2004
Location: Salem
Posts: 7,552
M.O.C. #2283
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Quote:
Originally Posted by jeffba
Then you are not pushing your lawn mower fast enough!!!
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HaHa
I like that.
Lynwood
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05-16-2018, 04:03 PM
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Montana Master
Join Date: Sep 2017
Location: Tacoma
Posts: 1,567
M.O.C. #20475
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Always balance! They shake & Rattle enough going down the road like a earth quack and wind storm all at the same time.
Bob & Carol
Washington St
2017 HC HM352RL 2008 Dodge 3500 DRW CC LB 4x4
Happy Trails
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05-17-2018, 05:02 AM
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Montana Master
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: Englewood
Posts: 3,095
M.O.C. #164
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Eagleback
Just make sure you Lug center balance and not the hub center like 90% of all tire places do.
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What Eagleback is stating here is correct those reading this thread need to understand the two methods of balancing!
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05-17-2018, 05:08 AM
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Montana Master
Join Date: Jul 2014
Location: Upstate NY
Posts: 1,788
M.O.C. #14547
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Quote:
Originally Posted by kdeiss
What Eagleback is stating here is correct those reading this thread need to understand the two methods of balancing!
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100% correct - now just try to find a tire shop that can do this kind of balance. I couldn't so did the hub centric as my only choice. May not be perfect but it is close
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Dave W
2014 Montana High Country 343RL (Sold!)
2011 Ford 6.7 Lariat CCLB (Went to PU Heaven)
2019 F150SC XLT SE Sport,w/full tow package
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05-17-2018, 07:19 AM
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Montana Fan
Join Date: Aug 2017
Location: Twin Falls, ID
Posts: 210
M.O.C. #20361
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Lug center vs hub center ? Difference? Why?
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Chica and Baby (the fury kids)
2014 3402rl
2017 Ram 3500 6.7 ctd. 4x4 srw
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05-17-2018, 07:58 AM
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Montana Master
Join Date: Jul 2014
Location: Upstate NY
Posts: 1,788
M.O.C. #14547
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Quote:
Originally Posted by jking
Lug center vs hub center ? Difference? Why? ��
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There may be no difference but it is due to machining operations tolerances. For the absolute best way to balance, the tire/wheel combo should be on the hub then the entire assembly balanced. You would also need to index that assembly if you take wheel off to ensure it is again reinstalled as balanced. Way more effort then needed on a trailer
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Dave W
2014 Montana High Country 343RL (Sold!)
2011 Ford 6.7 Lariat CCLB (Went to PU Heaven)
2019 F150SC XLT SE Sport,w/full tow package
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05-17-2018, 08:21 AM
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Site Team
Join Date: Oct 2005
Location: Carmichael - CA
Posts: 7,370
M.O.C. #4831
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Quote:
Originally Posted by jking
Lug center vs hub center ? Difference? Why? ��
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Here is some quick information about the difference.
Hub Centric Vs. Lug Centric. Hub Centric Wheels are centered by the center bore of the wheel and the hub flange. Lug centric wheels are centered by the torque of the lug bolts; rather than the center bore of the wheel and the hub flange. There are two distinct types of wheels found on today's cars and light trucks
The easiest way to tell the difference between the two designs is to look at the hub of a hub and wheel assembly. If the hole in the center of the wheel fits snugly against the hub, then it is hub- centric. If there is a gap between the center hole of the wheel and the hub, then it is lug- centric.
Many of today's aftermarket wheels are Lug Centric in design. The center hole of a Lug Centric wheel is not the true center. These wheels cannot be properly mounted and accurately balanced using the normal cone mounting system that came with your wheel balancer.
Many Lug Centric wheels may appear to be mounted correctly with the center cone system, but they cannot be accurately balanced. The wheel balancer will continue to either "chase weights" or the wheel will show signs of imbalance when re-mounted on the vehicle.
To ensure an accurate balance, Lug Centric wheels must be mounted on the balancer through their lug bolt pattern. Lug Centric wheels, when mounted on the vehicle, are centered by the torque of the lug bolts and not the center bore of the wheel.
The only way to properly balance Lug Centric is through their lug bolt pattern. This style wheel must be mounted to the computer balancer in the same manner as it is mounted on the vehicle...through the lug bolt pattern.
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There is more to life than fuel mileage.
2012 Montana 3700RL Big Sky Package towed by a 2015 Ford F350 6.7L PSD 4WD CC LWB
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05-17-2018, 09:24 AM
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Montana Master
Join Date: Jul 2010
Location: Lake Havasu City AZ.
Posts: 1,811
M.O.C. #10552
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2X what Carl said.
Carl, I just love how you cut out the bull and explain in detail.
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05-17-2018, 09:59 AM
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Montana Master
Join Date: Sep 2014
Location: Full Timer In Naples, Florida
Posts: 1,049
M.O.C. #15731
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Lug Balancing if more common than you think. just call around. there are service centers out there. I found 2 places here in Naples.
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2017, 3500 Ram Big Horn, 4x4, Crew Cab, DRW, Aisin Transmission, 4:10. Curt Q20, 2014 Mountaineer 331 RLT, Sailun's on the rv and truck.
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05-30-2018, 02:34 PM
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Seasoned Camper
Join Date: Jun 2016
Location: Havelock
Posts: 70
M.O.C. #18670
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When a tire and wheel is mounted to a balancing machine for hub balancing, the adapters center the wheel for balancing. If it was not centered, it would move up and down as if out of round. Today's balancers will not let you continue if this is the case. I have been in the automotive for over fifty years and have yet to find a center hole in a rim of center. We use lug balance for the bigger truck tires only. You can also use bags of weight sand inside the tire. Never the less, all highway tires should be balanced.
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2018 3791RD ,2016 RAM 3500 DRW
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06-19-2018, 06:08 PM
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Site Team
Join Date: Apr 2017
Location: Colorado Rockies
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M.O.C. #19755
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Lug centric is not an option for me. I called every tire shop within 100 miles. I found one that said they could do it, so I pulled all my wheels and headed down there. Found out their lug centric adapter would not work with my wheels and they balanced them hub centiric; told me when they were done.
They also said the same thing that Dennis said; only did it on big truck tires.
So, other than riding in the 5th wheel, how do you know if they are balanced?
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Scott & Alta
2017 Montana 3160RL, Legacy, Onan 5.5Kw, Solar
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