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10-09-2007, 11:48 AM
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Montana Fan
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Location: Zachary
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Tire blow out
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10-09-2007, 12:10 PM
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Montana Master
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From Rv.net evidently the Milestar tires are no better than the Missions and some of the 15" tires have actually been recalled by Keystone recently. Never heard of the others. My personal feelings on the matter are as soon as I am able to get rid of my Missions they will be replaced with Michelins. This is not an endorsement, just my opinion.
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10-09-2007, 02:14 PM
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Montana Master
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Was told by the dealer that the Milestars are the replacement for the Freestars. So far we have not had any problems with just over 2000 miles on them.
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10-09-2007, 03:30 PM
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Montana Master
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We just replaced our Mission tires with Firestones after three years. We drove all over the country without issue. The interesting thing about the Firestones is that our fuel economy picked up by about 2 mpg. We monitor tire temperature at stops with an optical thermometer.
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10-09-2007, 04:00 PM
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Montana Master
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Optical thermometer...now that is interesting...I just bought one...
Now that you brought it up...any idea what is a safe level for tires and bearings?
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10-09-2007, 04:23 PM
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Montana Master
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Check for similar temperature on all tires and bearings but allow for the sun to make one side hotter by a few degrees. Not all go bad at the same time so the important thing is to see when there is a big difference from one tire to the next one.
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10-09-2007, 05:43 PM
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Montana Master
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Quote:
quote:Originally posted by HomeOnTheRoad
Check for similar temperature on all tires and bearings but allow for the sun to make one side hotter by a few degrees. Not all go bad at the same time so the important thing is to see when there is a big difference from one tire to the next one.
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I second that, also check truck!!!
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10-10-2007, 01:33 AM
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Montana Master
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That makes a lot of sense - thank you...
I have noticed a pattern with my tire failures over the last few seasons, most of them happen on the hot days.
Since I have brand new tires once again, I'm hoping it will be some time before it's an issue again.
You can be sure I'll be limiting my travel on those scorching days.
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10-10-2007, 02:21 AM
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Montana Master
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Still can't find a daggone fly swatter, oh well, take that blasted bug!!!!! Ha Ha!!
Bingo
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10-10-2007, 02:45 PM
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Montana Fan
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Location: Zachary
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Fire5er, They still make both brands. I have been speaking with tireco about the two brands and she said i could have a choice between the two, with no out of pocket exspense to me except mounting. They would replace all five including shipping both ways. Just don't know about the tires.
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10-10-2007, 03:23 PM
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Montana Master
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pud2,
I don't know for sure, but I think the Milestars and the Freestars are made by the same company. I will tell you I QUIT selling Freestar tires built for heavy trucks because the quality wasn't good enough for most of the truckers I sell to. They didn't get very good mileage out of them, and they didn't hold up very well. Their smaller tires may be ok, but I personally wouldn't use them.
If these are the only tires they will offer, get 'em, sell 'em, add some $$, and get a good name brand tire. JMHO.
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10-11-2007, 01:05 AM
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Montana Fan
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Lonnie
I am looking at buying a set of tourmaster/transmaster tires made by greenball i think. Have you heard are have any exsperience with this brand tire?
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10-11-2007, 06:15 AM
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Established Member
Join Date: Oct 2007
Location: Campton
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These tires are another substandard product made in China. Had D rated Freestars on two KZ 5th wheels I owned, but after reading about numerous failures I refused to remove the units from the dealers lot until the tires were replaced with G rated Goodyears . Traveled to Alaska and back last year with the KZ on Goodyears, 14970 miles total trip, never had or worried about a problem.
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10-11-2007, 07:55 AM
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Montana Master
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pud2
I'm not familiar with the Tourmaster/Transmaster tires, or Greenball for that matter. I will do some research and see what pops up.
Someone on the rv.net forum was talking about Greenball awhile back, but I honestly don't remember what I read.
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10-13-2007, 08:10 AM
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Montana Master
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Quote:
quote:Originally posted by Ozzie
I have noticed a pattern with my tire failures over the last few seasons, most of them happen on the hot days.
Since I have brand new tires once again, I'm hoping it will be some time before it's an issue again.
You can be sure I'll be limiting my travel on those scorching days.
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Ozzie, no need to limit travel on hot days. Just drive slower. Heat kills tires. Hot pavement heats tires. Speed heats tires. Weight heats tires.
I've noticed the same thing although the last one I blew was last January in Oklahoma. Nevertheless, most have been in hot weather. Now, on really hot days, I just run 5 mph slower and make double sure to check that air pressure is at 80 psi before starting the trip when in very hot weather.
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11-04-2007, 11:59 AM
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Montana Master
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Well, we're now in the club of tire failure with the OEM Missions and replacement with Tireco's Freestars. Towing from Corpus Christi, Texas back to Abilene, maybe 100 miles since we stopped for dinner and a tire check. Time was late evening and maybe 70 degrees ambient temperature. When the Missions blew at 3000 total towing miles including the delivery trip from Indiana, it threw fragments everywhere, dented the sheetmetal skirt, broke some support bracketing and left tire material inside the coach.
Tireco said that if there's a defect with the tire they'd pay for the repair but I'm not holding my breath because there is so little tire left to examine. I personally think that they take all 5 tires to remove evidence of poor manufacturing. I paid the $40.00 for mounting, which is reasonable.
Sad that a fine RV is equipped with cheap tires, the damage to the sheet metal may not be reparable without replacing the entire length of skirting.
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11-04-2007, 02:23 PM
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Montana Master
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Been there. So sorry about your damage. Yes, they replace the full length of the damaged sheet metal skirt. I have invested in the Doran monitoring system. I figure the $690.00 is cheaper than $3000.00 in repairs.
I have had a total of four blowouts, two of which did significant damage. There were two blowouts on each of two sets of tires. All blowouts were due to tire failure (tread separation), not road hazards. Evidence of coming tread problems could be found on some of the remaining non-blown tires in each set.
Yes, insurance pays, but it is considered a non-fault accident and you still accumulate points on your rating. A quick check with Doran and I can tell which tire(s) I need to attend. It makes it easy to check during the drive also.
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11-04-2007, 02:34 PM
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Montana Master
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We had no problems with our Missions in about 12K + of travel most of it at interstate speeds. We did replace them with Coopers only because we would have replaced any brand OEM tires after 12K + miles. We do watch our tire pressures and we do have the pressure pro system so we can monitor on a continuous basis. We keep the tires at 80psi and on hot days at intersate speeds have seen the pressure increase to 95lbs which would indicate rising heat..at that point or less we back off till the pressure goes down.The pressure pro system will not of course protect against a "sudden and catastrophic failure' (blowout) but will warn of a loss of pressure that will lead to a incease in heat and tire failure.IMO many "blow outs" are cause by the undetected gradual loss of pressure causing the tire to seperate from the rim..at that point it sounds and looks like a blow out.. The Pressure pro system is, IMO a must.
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11-05-2007, 11:11 AM
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Sage advice Richfaa. I expect that a difference in temperature would be a red alert also. Those axles/tires are close to being maxed out on the big rigs so even a small imbalance in tire pressures must put a lot of extra load and consequently heat on the remaining one on that side.
LonnieB: At the risk of opening up another worm can, what is your opinion on ST versus LT tires?
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11-05-2007, 11:56 AM
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Montana Master
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Quote:
quote:Originally posted by MacDR50
...LonnieB: At the risk of opening up another worm can, what is your opinion on ST versus LT tires?
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From a tire website, just thought it'd explain the term ST to non tire folks like myself - Special Trailer' (ST) tires have been constructed for better high speed durability and bruise resistance under heavy loads. Trailer tire construction varies substantially from automotive tires, therefore it is essential to choose the correct tire for your towing application. In general, trailer tires have the same load range (or ply) from bead to bead and are bias ply construction. This allows for a stiffer side wall which provides safer towing by helping to reduce trailer sway problems. The use of 'Passenger Car' (P) or 'Light Truck (LT) tires a on a trailer is not recommended because their construction, usually radial or bias belted, allows for more flexible side walls. This could lead to increased trailer sway and loss of control.
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