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Old 08-19-2018, 02:59 PM   #21
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Tv weight

I had a 2016 f250. Scales showed it to be 8100 and 2017 f350 at 8200. Both crew cabs and 4 wheel drive. I can handle 3300 pounds on my pin weight. My pin weight is around 3200. So Im about max out.
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Old 08-19-2018, 03:11 PM   #22
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Been in my 2010 Montana 3400RL for about 3 months now. TV is a 2011 f350 Super Duty SRW 6.7 diesel. Finally hit the scales today. TV full of fuel and about 20 gallons fresh water. Just coming home from a trip. Still loaded. Trailer 11440lbs TV 11320lbs total 22760lbs. Raised the pin box off of the 5th wheel plate. TV 9330lbs Trailer 13440lbs total 22770lbs (dont know where the extra 10 lbs came from) hooked up the rig sets pretty level. Rear sag hooked up is 3in. Front end raise is 1/8 in. Looks to me like my pin weight is 2490lbs. Pulls awesome. I run no more than 68mph. Is that 3in sag need air bags? 5er has a Mor/Ryde pin box. I would appreciate any opinions on my numbers. Thanks in advance. Rick
I was looking at air bags for my 2016 F250 6.7 diesel and Montana 3790RD. When I saw that there were replacement bags assuming they would fail at some point I checked out Supersprings. Saw a guy come into the park and chatted with him assuming he had air bags. I was so impressed that I bought some next day thru Amazon. Call the company and tell them info on your truck and RV and they will size them for you. When no load on the truck the factory springs resume service no change in ide when unloaded.
Amazing service and
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Old 08-19-2018, 03:29 PM   #23
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Air bags ?

The bottom line on weight is you have to be within rated truck towing limits. Suspension helpers are just that. Look at Roadmaster active suspension system before getting air bags and re-run your numbers. No maintenance and it is only active under load. Cost much less and provides much better stability.
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Old 08-19-2018, 03:35 PM   #24
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adding in to JABURKHOLDER's comments, if you add airbags (~100lbs) that will take away from your available payload(or available trailer pin weight) Now you are really pushing up against the GVWR of the truck.
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Old 08-19-2018, 03:47 PM   #25
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Adding to what BiggarView is saying, when considering GVWR don't forget to add the hitch, fuel, passengers and cargo. All these have to be supported by the TV suspension system. If you add air bags or helper springs never ever exceed the axle rating.
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Old 08-19-2018, 03:52 PM   #26
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The bottom line on weight is you have to be within rated truck towing limits. Suspension helpers are just that. Look at Roadmaster active suspension system before getting air bags and re-run your numbers. No maintenance and it is only active under load. Cost much less and provides much better stability.
Went to Roadmaster active suspension system website. They advertise "increase payload",,,, not going to happen.
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Old 08-19-2018, 06:46 PM   #27
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A self-leveling air bag system will get your TV closer to level and improve ride comfort if you take the time to "tune" the inflation while towing. I start with my rig level and once underway on a flat road, I bleed a little air out to get the ride comfort I want.
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Old 08-19-2018, 07:24 PM   #28
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A great add for bags with cab compressor remote to adjust..
It smooths the ride like the kingpin cushion provides
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Old 08-19-2018, 08:16 PM   #29
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I've pulled my Monty with both the F250 & F350. Pin weight at 2700lbs. Never a problem on the 350 without air bags. But I did need them on the 250 to make it feel safe. Totally a personal choice on the 350.
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Old 08-19-2018, 08:40 PM   #30
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Ref payload increase

To captain John, you need to look at entire site. Under FAQs it explains that comment on increased payload. I was skeptical at first but after talking to numerous individuals ,truck mechanics and one that took off his air bags once he saw this system was convincing that this far outperformed air bags. This system only works when needed and it perfectly levels your unit.
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Old 08-20-2018, 03:59 PM   #31
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Been in my 2010 Montana 3400RL for about 3 months now. TV is a 2011 f350 Super Duty SRW 6.7 diesel. Finally hit the scales today. TV full of fuel and about 20 gallons fresh water. Just coming home from a trip. Still loaded. Trailer 11440lbs TV 11320lbs total 22760lbs. Raised the pin box off of the 5th wheel plate. TV 9330lbs Trailer 13440lbs total 22770lbs (dont know where the extra 10 lbs came from) hooked up the rig sets pretty level. Rear sag hooked up is 3in. Front end raise is 1/8 in. Looks to me like my pin weight is 2490lbs. Pulls awesome. I run no more than 68mph. Is that 3in sag need air bags? 5er has a Mor/Ryde pin box. I would appreciate any opinions on my numbers. Thanks in advance. Rick
I have a 2013 Montana 3625RE, TV is a 2011 F350 Super Duty SRW 6.7 diesel with 50 gal external tank and Air Ride Air Bags. The air Bags do lift the sag back up level and makes for an easy ride, just finished traveling 4,000 miles around the country with no issues. I had a 2008 3400RL, loved it along with the grand kids, but wanted to upgrade to more comforts with self leveling and everything else automatic.
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Old 08-20-2018, 04:42 PM   #32
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To captain John, you need to look at entire site. Under FAQs it explains that comment on increased payload. I was skeptical at first but after talking to numerous individuals ,truck mechanics and one that took off his air bags once he saw this system was convincing that this far outperformed air bags. This system only works when needed and it perfectly levels your unit.
I like the theory and think it could work nicely. Once I read 'increase payload' I was done. Nothing they can do can increase the payload and the statement is misleading. Some may actually believe it.
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Old 08-22-2018, 11:40 AM   #33
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Have a similar setup. Weights are about the same. I've been to Alaska twice with my rig and had installed airbags before I went. I would never pull without airbags again as it smooths out the ride so much.
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Old 08-22-2018, 10:24 PM   #34
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My loaner truck was 16 one ton SRW, handled the Fifthwheel pretty well. Checked on WASDOT scales and found out that I was over the 11,500 GVW. Truck had plenty of power and towing felt quite secure, it did drop a few inches in the rear when hooked to my 3160. My old 2000 F350 SRW had airbags and some anti sway pads that replaced the snubers. It was also over on the GVW and the GCVWR, it handled the unit pretty good too but not as good as the loaner truck. Obviously power etc was not even close to the new truck but mileage was a bit better with old truck.
Next loaner truck was 17 F250 which towed my unit quite nice in good conditions but when you added in a nasty wind it got a bit unstabe, more than I like. I didn't bother to weigh it as I knew it was over the GVW ratings.
Just my opinion but I really think most people should have at least a one ton SRW to tow these heavier units. People can do and say what ever they want but I can guarantee you that my one ton DRW is way more stable than any of the other three tow vehicles I have recently towed with. Aftermarket items can definitely help the 3/4 ton and one ton SRW trucks in stability and I will also say load capability, not to be confused with legal GVW weight increase. Suspension angle due to to much weight can greatly influence the way your truck steers and the feel you get in the seat of your pants.

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