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09-17-2016, 02:58 PM
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Montana Master
Join Date: Oct 2004
Location: Salem
Posts: 7,528
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Baybum10 smart move getting good tires. You can never assume you will get a mile out of the OEM China bomb tires. You are not the first on MOC this has happened to you will not be the last. A word to the wise!
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09-17-2016, 03:01 PM
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Montana Master
Join Date: Aug 2010
Location: Washington Coast
Posts: 2,688
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The Goodyear Gy614 or Nothing Is now a thing of the Past as Many of us are using Made in China G rated 14 ply Lt's for years and thousands of miles with great success and that includes Sailuns,Geostars G574's like me and my buddy as that is what Les Schwab tires here out West sells and lots of them AND then you have Westlake any many others.. Just stay away from anything ST IMO on these Heavier Montys as they are not the right tool for the job
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09-17-2016, 05:04 PM
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Seasoned Camper
Join Date: Jun 2014
Location: Riverside
Posts: 64
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All ST tires are rated at 65mph. Some auto tires are only rated at 70mph
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quote:Originally posted by mlh
I don't know why the OEMs would put put 65 mph tires on a camper and send them out on a 75 MPG highway.
We have seen over and over this same story. If you have ST China bomb tires on your camper you are are begging for trouble. Run them at your own risk.
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09-18-2016, 04:22 AM
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Montana Fan
Join Date: May 2016
Location: Massillon
Posts: 437
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My Ranier ST Tires OEM on my Montana HC 375 FL are 75 mph speed rated. They are made in Thailand. I have no idea how good or bad they might be little info is available on the internet.
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09-18-2016, 05:03 AM
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Montana Master
Join Date: Dec 2009
Location: Sebring
Posts: 3,657
M.O.C. #9969
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Our good friends had Ranier's on their new Jayco and ended up replacing all four during our Maritime trip last summer. Broken belts, bulges, even one exploded.
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2018 Chevy 3500HD High Country DRW 4X4 Crew Cab w/Duramax/Allison, Formally 2010 Montana 2955RL, Now Loaded 2016 SOB, Mor/ryde IS, Disc Brakes & Pin Box, Comfort Ride Hitch, Sailun 17.5 Tires.
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09-18-2016, 06:16 AM
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Montana Fan
Join Date: May 2016
Location: Massillon
Posts: 437
M.O.C. #18658
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Any idea on how old the Raniers were?
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09-18-2016, 12:46 PM
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Montana Master
Join Date: Dec 2009
Location: Sebring
Posts: 3,657
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Less than a year old. A trip to Florida then back to Western New York then off to the Canadian Maritime.
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2018 Chevy 3500HD High Country DRW 4X4 Crew Cab w/Duramax/Allison, Formally 2010 Montana 2955RL, Now Loaded 2016 SOB, Mor/ryde IS, Disc Brakes & Pin Box, Comfort Ride Hitch, Sailun 17.5 Tires.
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09-23-2016, 12:43 PM
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Montana Master
Join Date: Oct 2013
Location: Ogden
Posts: 638
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I was a professional driver of one thing or another for my entire working life. I'm 62 now and retired for 5 years. I pull at 70 mph when the freeways are dry, there is light traffic, no wind, and visibility is good. I feel totally comfortable at this speed. I'll even go faster when passing. I'm doing it on G614 tires, but would NEVER go that fast on Marathons.
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09-23-2016, 02:10 PM
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Montana Master
Join Date: Oct 2004
Location: Salem
Posts: 7,528
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Mark I agree completely. That is what speed limits are for if you have the proper tires. Let others drive at some magic lower speed.
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09-24-2016, 02:13 PM
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Montana Master
Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: Denver
Posts: 1,041
M.O.C. #5329
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TO answer the OP , I had a blowout with a Carlisle tire that causd significant damage. I contacted the company, and they covered the damage. I run Goodrich Commercial TAs on my 5er now, no problems.
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09-24-2016, 04:01 PM
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Seasoned Camper
Join Date: Jul 2016
Location: new caney
Posts: 98
M.O.C. #18819
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Quote:
quote:Originally posted by craigb
All ST tires are rated at 65mph. Some auto tires are only rated at 70mph
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quote:Originally posted by mlh
I don't know why the OEMs would put put 65 mph tires on a camper and send them out on a 75 MPG highway.
We have seen over and over this same story. If you have ST China bomb tires on your camper you are are begging for trouble. Run them at your own risk.
Lynwood
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09-24-2016, 04:25 PM
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Seasoned Camper
Join Date: Jul 2016
Location: new caney
Posts: 98
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Not all ST tires are rated at 65 mph. The sailun's are ST tires and are an 129L code which stands for 75 mph rated.There tires don't show ST in there advertisement but it is now stamped ST on there sidewall- at least on the 235x80x16.
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10-02-2016, 12:43 PM
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Montana Master
Join Date: Aug 2004
Location: Livermore
Posts: 5,135
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First, to help with clarification, both the G614 from Goodyear and the Sailun's are all steel carcass's per Tredit. That separates the China Sailun's from the other Chinese tires which are poly steel construction. Second, again per Tredit, the Sailun's are now rated as Trailer Tires so they don't fall under the tariff system and they are allowed to sell below their manufacturing cost. They make their profit from the Chinese government. Unfortunately for Goodyear, their G614's don't get government subsidies. Third, as hinted at in an earlier post, speed limits are the top recommended speed under optimum conditions. And we've all been passed by the guy running China Bombs, doing 80 mph because they can, through rain and 30 mph side winds and overloaded on gcwr with a boat trailer behind. This forum has a lot of great information. If you go through the many pages of tire posts and still drive down the road with E rated tires, good luck. And let's not even add TPMS into the discussion. Even G rated all steel tires pick up nails and screws.
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10-03-2016, 06:43 AM
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Montana Master
Join Date: Jan 2016
Location: STAYTON
Posts: 1,118
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Quote:
quote:Originally posted by rames14
First, to help with clarification, both the G614 from Goodyear and the Sailun's are all steel carcass's per Tredit. That separates the China Sailun's from the other Chinese tires which are poly steel construction. Second, again per Tredit, the Sailun's are now rated as Trailer Tires so they don't fall under the tariff system and they are allowed to sell below their manufacturing cost. They make their profit from the Chinese government. Unfortunately for Goodyear, their G614's don't get government subsidies. Third, as hinted at in an earlier post, speed limits are the top recommended speed under optimum conditions. And we've all been passed by the guy running China Bombs, doing 80 mph because they can, through rain and 30 mph side winds and overloaded on gcwr with a boat trailer behind. This forum has a lot of great information. If you go through the many pages of tire posts and still drive down the road with E rated tires, good luck. And let's not even add TPMS into the discussion. Even G rated all steel tires pick up nails and screws.
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Ron,
You're going to have to add Geostar G574 to your list in order to remain accurate.
All-steel casing supports high load rating, providing maximum strength and durability.
Mark
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10-03-2016, 06:53 AM
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Seasoned Camper
Join Date: Jun 2014
Location: Riverside
Posts: 64
M.O.C. #14426
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I switched to Samson All Steel ST235/85R16 14 ply Load range G Super Heavy Duty tire when my Marathons blew up. This tire is steel bead to bead. Got 3,000 miles so far.
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01-15-2017, 09:10 AM
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New Member
Join Date: Jan 2017
Location: Weeki Wachee
Posts: 3
M.O.C. #19362
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Quote:
quote:Originally posted by ctwebb
Hi all, Has anyone gone after the tire makers for the damage to your unit after a tire blow out. We have the Power King Tow Max tires that are three years old and have about 5000 miles on them. One blew out yesterday and caused a good amount of damage to my unit. Tire pressures were correct. No signs or warnings when we hears the loud explosion I assume this is where the term China bomb comes from
Thanks for your input
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01-15-2017, 09:25 AM
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New Member
Join Date: Jan 2017
Location: Weeki Wachee
Posts: 3
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Hi Iam am new to MOC but have been camping for years.
Last tip I blew 2 copper tires that were only 4 years old The tread was over 75% good and pressure was up.
I have found that most tires blow for one of two reasons. Either a road hazard or over heating . I believe mine was road hazard. When they went, There was another camper a 10 feet up the road with the same problem and I had gone over 800 miles before they blow. They were made in China but so is everything today. They were a good brand (COPPER ) and did not show any signs of stress when I set out.
I have picked up things in my tires you never see when driving. Bolts, Pieces of metal, nails, screws,even had a screw driver in one, on a trip.
When I got home I put 2 more new tires on just to match up the new ones I had to replace on the road.
PS Covering your tires when sitting a long time is highly recommended.
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01-15-2017, 10:45 AM
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Montana Master
Join Date: Oct 2004
Location: Salem
Posts: 7,528
M.O.C. #2283
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I think if you stay around here long enough you will see a pattern. I've been here since 2004 and have seen many blowouts usually in the summer when most people are traveling and it's hot and the cheap light Chinese ST tires start blowing out. They have watched the pressure not drove too fast and still a blowout has took the side off of their camper. I have seen very few problems with the G rated tires. A lot of people here have got G rated tires after they had a blowout with the Chinese ST tires and have had no problem since.
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01-15-2017, 03:41 PM
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Montana Master
Join Date: Apr 2009
Location: Murrieta
Posts: 5,816
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Besides Sailun, I've heard Maxxis is a pretty good tire. I run them on my rig with good luck. On the other hand I didn't have bad luck with my Marathons. In fact, the only tire I've had a quality issue was the infamous Mission tire which for me was the first tire I heard the term China bomb used wth. I know Goodyear Marathon had horror stories but I had no issue with mine, but I think I was their original owner and never abused them.
Besides the understanding they have improved as an ST, since these were OEMs I tend to believe RV transporters abused them. As for Mission, I think they were a bad tire which is why they went out of business.
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01-16-2017, 01:35 AM
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Montana Master
Join Date: May 2011
Location: Hixson
Posts: 3,436
M.O.C. #11397
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Quote:
quote:Originally posted by Richard Harrison
Hi Iam am new to MOC but have been camping for years.
Last tip I blew 2 copper tires that were only 4 years old The tread was over 75% good and pressure was up.
I have found that most tires blow for one of two reasons. Either a road hazard or over heating . I believe mine was road hazard. When they went, There was another camper a 10 feet up the road with the same problem and I had gone over 800 miles before they blow. They were made in China but so is everything today. They were a good brand (COPPER ) and did not show any signs of stress when I set out.
I have picked up things in my tires you never see when driving. Bolts, Pieces of metal, nails, screws,even had a screw driver in one, on a trip.
When I got home I put 2 more new tires on just to match up the new ones I had to replace on the road.
PS Covering your tires when sitting a long time is highly recommended.
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I haven't heard of "Copper" brand tires. Are you possibly referring to "Cooper" ?
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