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Old 09-16-2015, 10:03 AM   #21
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Ain't I lucky I have a High Country built with "helium technology". I can pull it with a properly equipped F150. Yea Right.
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Old 09-16-2015, 10:05 AM   #22
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Plan on Real World Pin weight to be 500 to 1000 Lbs more that the brochure spec Dry Pin weight.
I think our 2955 weighed at a Rally was about 800 Lbs higher the the published Dry Pin.
Or you can take 20% of the Trailers Gross to put you in the ball park for Pin weight.
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Old 09-16-2015, 12:20 PM   #23
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While it's true that duallies have their drawbacks such as parking lots and ATMs, strictly considering pin weight and carrying capacity seems to point the op toward one. I know the newer SRW trucks have a lot more capacity than even when JI bought my '07 , so maybe he can use one. To me, I've always gone on the notion you can't have too much truck. I don't full-time either, so I have the inconveniences associated with a dually. I typically park away from the busy parts of a parking lot. Not a big deal to me. I also have a small car as a daily driver for those ATM trips or whatever. To me it's worth it.
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Old 09-16-2015, 12:55 PM   #24
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Granted I can't use an Automatic Car Wash, but I have yet to find an ATM or Drive Thru that I haven't been able to use. Some ATMs only leave several inches on each side, but it's not the Freeway, so just slow and easy. The Dually is our only vehicle and has been for a few years now.
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Old 09-16-2015, 02:53 PM   #25
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A few years ago a friend amputated both fenders off his dually going through a bank drive through. There is another advantage to a dually. It's called exercise. Park and walk in, avoid the drive through. Park in the far corner of the lot. Avoid the mass of closely parked vehicles. Then walk in. They say walking is good for you.
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Old 09-16-2015, 03:07 PM   #26
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Michelle you must have big drive thru's where you live. My CC is a no go around here on almost all banking lanes and fast food drive thru's. Like somebody said exercise is good except in the rain and snow.

If I remember correctly my pin weight is higher than the brochure but they put a label on the side that is supposed to take into account any factory accessories. Can't guarantee it but I think mine is close.

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Old 09-16-2015, 03:58 PM   #27
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As near as I can figure, the F350SRW has a cargo capacity of over 6000 lb. The F250 is only 3200. 6000 would be plenty for the pin weight. As to stability, I have no personal knowledge; but it would seem logical that DRW would be the best. But as others mentioned, I have enough trouble finding a parking space with my SRW Silverado.
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Old 09-17-2015, 03:18 AM   #28
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As near as I can figure, the F350SRW has a cargo capacity of over 6000 lb. The F250 is only 3200. 6000 would be plenty for the pin weight. As to stability, I have no personal knowledge; but it would seem logical that DRW would be the best. But as others mentioned, I have enough trouble finding a parking space with my SRW Silverado.
6000? 4000 by the towing guide, real world door sticker after options around 3800. At least thats the way it is on my 2014
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Wanted to be legal whenever it came to the weight police, on the road or in the courts, so it's a dually.
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Old 09-17-2015, 04:31 AM   #30
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I would not want to got back to pulling my Montana with a single rear wheel truck...dually just feels so much nicer and more stable...
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Old 09-17-2015, 04:58 AM   #31
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As near as I can figure, the F350SRW has a cargo capacity of over 6000 lb. The F250 is only 3200. 6000 would be plenty for the pin weight. As to stability, I have no personal knowledge; but it would seem logical that DRW would be the best. But as others mentioned, I have enough trouble finding a parking space with my SRW Silverado.
By the Ford web site for 2015, the payload rating for an SRW ranges from around 3,500 lbs to 4,900 lbs depending on configuration. And the DRW ranges from around 5,900 lbs to 7,200 lbs depending on configuration. The highest ratings are for the standard cab, short bed, gas engine, and 4x2. The lower ratings for the crew cab, long bed, diesel engine, and 4x4.
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Old 09-17-2015, 05:15 AM   #32
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If you have NOT had your rig weighed then you are only guessing and not sure if you are within weight limits. The label on the side that is supposed to take into account any factory accessories dosen't take into account any of the additional equipment you put on your rig...and it adds up fast. If you are a weekender you probably don't carry what full timers do. If you boondock you probably travel heavier than those that strictly go to RV parks with full hookups. There are just too many variables to guess on weights. From my experience with my 2007 3400RL Montana and my 2006 SRW F350 I was 200lbs to the good when I weighed it at a CAT scale...and that was only loaded for a week long vacation. I purchased the DRW F350 with expectations of going more long-timing and wanting a larger safety factor when it comes to weight limits. I upgraded the tires on the 2007 from E to G for the same reason...a greater safety factor.
We have not had the new BS382RL Montana long enough to know what my weights are yet because it has been back to the dealer several times sine we got it in March, and there isn't a scale close to me. But I have been adding a lot of items to it and need to weight it as soon as I can get to a scale so I know for sure what my weights are.
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Old 09-17-2015, 05:56 AM   #33
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No contest here- Started out towing with F250 Supercab- Moved up to a dually crewcab because of the problems caused by crosswinds and big rigs passing us- Would never go back to a srw for towing- JMHO- Don
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Old 09-17-2015, 07:51 AM   #34
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Figuring pin weight is very easy. There is a sticker on your truck with all the data. On our Ford it is on the drivers side door.

We ordered our Ford heavy duty all the way around. Snow plow package and camper package which mean heavier duty springs, etc.

The GVWR is 13,000 lbs and the Carry capacity is 4268lbs.Now you have got to weigh the truck ready to tow with everything in it. Fords are heavy anyhow and ours ready to tow weighed in at 9236 lbs.

Take that real weight and subtract it from the GVWR 13,000-9236 = 3764lbs that is the REAL carry capacity not the sticker 4268lbs and since the truck is fully loaded and fueled that 3764 is the max pin weight you can have. Now you need to weigh the Montana to get the actual pin weight . On our Montana the actual pin weight was 2850 and we are long timers so we run a bit heaver than most. The 20% rule of thumb would have given us a estimated pin weight of 3160lbs so we had 310lbs to spare.

Just do the same with your individual numbers for your truck Single wheel or dually. The numbers will not lie.
The newer trucks have higher numbers.

In terms of ease of parking, drive through banks car washes , We bought the truck to pull a heavy Montana nothing else.

Stability I don't know we had a member on here a few years ago who had the expertise to figure that out and of course the dually had a higher stability factor. If I were to buy a new truck today I would look at the specifications and if they fell within the parameters
I would buy the truck Dually or not.
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Old 09-17-2015, 12:27 PM   #35
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I appreciate those of you who feel that the DRW provides more stability. However, I have pulled the Monty several thousand miles in nearly all conditions, including head winds, side winds, etc. I have never felt a lack of stability with the SRW. Maybe it's the Mor-ryde pin box and suspension, I don't know. Just haven't experienced it. Maybe on a washout??
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We prefer the increased tow capacity and it has to have better stability with four wheels on the ground in back. Having pulled trailers since 1971 with both, there is a difference. For those who prefer SRW, great, but to claim the same handling as a DRW is a stretch. And the difference in tow capacity reflected in the Ford tow specs says it all.
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Old 09-17-2015, 02:04 PM   #37
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For tow ratings you need to look at the SAE J2807 tow ratings. The DRW trucks are held to a lower standard than the SRW trucks.
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Acceleration from zero to 30 mph in 12.0 seconds or less in vehicles with a single rear wheels.
Acceleration from zero to 30 mph in 14.0 seconds or less in vehicles with dual rear wheels.
Stopping distance was from, I think from 20 MPH and the DRW truck was given more distance. I'm really not interested in a panic stop in the WalMart parking lot.
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Old 09-17-2015, 02:12 PM   #38
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The 6000 pay load for a 250/2500 series truck is most likely for the gasser. Their pay load is higher (no heavy diesel engine), but their GCWR is much lower.
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Not sure I care about 2 second acceleration difference as much as weight capacity. Per the 2015 Ford Tow Guide, Fifth wheel tow capacities: F350 Supercab diesel 4x4 SRW is 15.9K. F350 Supercab diesel 4x4 DRWis 23.8K with a 3.73 or 24K with a 4.30 rear end.
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Old 09-17-2015, 03:43 PM   #40
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One reason the DRW trucks have higher limits is because they are held to a lower standard. The Ford SD trucks don't conform to the J2807 standard.
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