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04-09-2015, 12:49 AM
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Established Member
Join Date: Apr 2015
Location: Fairmont
Posts: 35
M.O.C. #17274
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New Trailer
We have just signed papers for a brand new Montana 3610RL. It has a pin weight of 2905 and shipping weight of 12216. We have a 2005 Chevy Silverado 2500HD Crew Cab with Duramax. The dealer has told us that we shouldn't have any trouble. Is it going to be enough truck?
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2015 Montana 3610RL
2017 Chevrolet 3500HD High Country CC DRW 4WD Duramax/Allison
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04-09-2015, 01:18 AM
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Montana Master
Join Date: May 2011
Location: Hixson
Posts: 3,436
M.O.C. #11397
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When you get it and move everything into it to include propane and fresh water take it to the Cat scales (after fueling truck) and weigh the entire unit. Disconnect and weigh just the truck so you can calculate the real pin weight. I would be surprised if a new 1 ton truck is not in your future. One cannot go by brochure numbers!
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04-09-2015, 01:46 AM
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Montana Master
Join Date: Mar 2013
Location: Hanover
Posts: 1,471
M.O.C. #13325
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Your truck will pull it, but you will be pushing it's capacities. It'll also be less stable than with a dually. Your shipping weight is without any water, waste, propane or belongings. Once you add what you want to travel with, you'll have issues.
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04-09-2015, 02:36 AM
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Montana Master
Join Date: Aug 2008
Location: New Bern
Posts: 4,370
M.O.C. #8728
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Go on line and look up the GCWR for your year and make of truck. That will tell you the total weight the truck is rated for. It's not a matter of towing it, it's a matter of controlling it when you need to stop quickly.
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04-09-2015, 02:42 AM
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Montana Master
Join Date: Feb 2012
Location: Lake Gaston
Posts: 8,773
M.O.C. #12156
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Grounds for concern
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Mike and Lorraine
2002 3655 FL, 2005 3650RK
2010 3665RE, 2015 3910FB
F350 crew cab dually 6.7
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04-09-2015, 02:56 AM
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Montana Master
Join Date: Feb 2004
Location: Brandon
Posts: 3,944
M.O.C. #1034
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There is only one floor plan in the whole line up with a heavier pin weight and that is the 3791 at a pin weight of #2960, so....
We obviously love the floor plan though and you will too, congrats!
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Darwin & Maureen DeBackere
Minnedosa, Manitoba, Canada
2011/3500/Silverado/4x4/DRW/Duramax 
2017/3721RL/Legacy Pkg./Pressure-Pro 
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04-09-2015, 03:14 AM
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Montana Master
Join Date: Mar 2012
Location: Davison
Posts: 786
M.O.C. #12331
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The last time I weighed ours, the pin weight was 2905 LOADED. I would not want any more weight at the pin than I have now.
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04-09-2015, 04:48 AM
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Site Team
Join Date: Jun 2011
Location: Wilsey
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Like everyone else I agree you need to weigh it fully loaded, but the base numbers don't look good.
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Dick, Joyce, Diego, Picatso and Gustav
2017 3720 RL, and 2013 HC 343RL
Pullrite Hitch, IS, Disk Brakes, 3rd AC, Winegard Traveler, Bathroom door mod, Dometic 320, couch for desk swap, replaced chairs, sun screens, added awnings, etc.
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04-09-2015, 05:28 AM
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Montana Master
Join Date: Jan 2013
Location: Depends on temps
Posts: 1,648
M.O.C. #13157
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Quote:
quote:Originally posted by hblosser
We have just signed papers for a brand new Montana 3610RL. It has a pin weight of 2905 and shipping weight of 12216. We have a 2005 Chevy Silverado 2500HD Crew Cab with Duramax. The dealer has told us that we shouldn't have any trouble. Is it going to be enough truck?
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Welcome to the forum.
To get to the point, no you need more truck. Your truck has a 9,200GVWR with a 6,084 rear GAWR and a GCVWR of 16,000lbs.
Your truck will weigh close to 7500lbs. 16,000lbs minus 7,500lbs means your trailer can/should not weigh over 8,500lbs.
Notice your "dealer said" "we SHOULDN'T have any trouble" (but you might)
You have 2 options, buy less trailer or more truck.
Jim
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04-09-2015, 05:36 AM
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Montana Master
Join Date: Jun 2014
Location: Vancouver Island
Posts: 894
M.O.C. #14417
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You'll be over your GVWR I'm sure. The biggest concern is the stopping power as NCFischers stated. If you don't have an aftermarket exhaust or speed brake it would be scary and dangerous going down a steep grade.
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Lenny and Ros
2012 Montana 3400RL,680 Watts Solar,4xT-105 Trojans,GP-ISW2000-12 Inverter,Trimetric 2020, EMSHW50C
2009 Chevy Silverado 3500 LTZ Duramax 4x4 CC Dually, Banks Speed Brake
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04-09-2015, 06:29 AM
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Montana Master
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: Englewood
Posts: 3,095
M.O.C. #164
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[quote]quote: Originally posted by jlb27537
Quote:
Originally posted by hblosser
We have just signed papers for a brand new Montana 3610RL. It has a pin weight of 2905 and shipping weight of 12216. We have a 2005 Chevy Silverado 2500HD Crew Cab with Duramax. The dealer has told us that we shouldn't have any trouble. Is it going to be enough truck?
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Welcome to the forum.
To get to the point, no you need more truck. Your truck has a 9,200GVWR with a 6,084 rear GAWR and a GCVWR of 16,000lbs.
Your truck will weigh close to 7500lbs. 16,000lbs minus 7,500lbs means your trailer can/should not weigh over 8,500lbs.
Notice your "dealer said" "we SHOULDN'T have any trouble" (but you might)
You have 2 options, buy less trailer or more truck.
Jim
I agree! This is your answer in the Nutshell More Truck Less Fiver
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04-09-2015, 07:28 AM
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Montana Master
Join Date: Mar 2012
Location: Livingston
Posts: 1,150
M.O.C. #12333
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Welcome to the forum...as DarMar said the 3610 has one of the highest pin weights and I would be concerned with 2500 stopping 17,000 lbs of trailer behind it. The other issue is that with the mfg ratings for truck are noted, a lot of things on the truck are just not designed for the heavier weights (brakes, frame, etc.) The Duramax and Allison transmission will certainly pull the trailer and once the moment of inertia is overcome then you have to worry about control.
As for dealer, they usually do not have a clue and only want to sell a trailer and will tell you what you want to hear so the deal can get done.
We love our early edition 3610RL and trust you will love yours as well.
Good luck and safe travels,
Les
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04-09-2015, 07:53 AM
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Montana Master
Join Date: Jan 2013
Location: Bridgewater
Posts: 1,196
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I traded my '04 2500 D/A for specifically that reason. I didn't want my truck to be the limiting factor in which 5er I chose. While there are plenty of fifth wheels out there that my current truck would struggle with, you certainly broaden your choices with the dually. If you're hell-bent on the 3610, a new truck should be in your future as well. It is a terrific floorplan. Good luck with your choices.
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2019 Silverado D/A 3500HD LTZ DRW CC
B&W Companion
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04-09-2015, 08:23 AM
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Montana Master
Join Date: Nov 2009
Location: Wampum
Posts: 571
M.O.C. #9928
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I also believe you should look into a new ONE TON truck. As with all the manufacturers they use basically the same engine/transmission in their 3/4 ton and 1 ton trucks. In Fords case their F-450 uses the exact same engine/trans as their 250 & 350. My point is they all can "pull" your new rig. But the heavier trucks will "handle" your rig much more safely and confidently. They have heavier springs, axles, brakes, etc. The dual rear wheel option is a good choice for premium performance.
I have been pulling for 25+ years and have seen many overloaded trucks on the road. And I must admit have overloaded my vehicle a couple times. And I had a failure (thank God it failed in a campground, not out on the highway). But that was a long time ago in a place far, far away. I cringe when I think about what can happen when the tow vehicle reaches it's limit and fails on the road. Lives are at stake; yours and ours. Your Silverado is a fine tow vehicle but it wasn't built to handle this new Monty. At 10 years old it might just be the right time for an upgrade. That Duramax engine is highly desirable in the used truck market. Hopefully you can get a good deal on a "un-tun-er". Happy trails!
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"What happens at camp stays at camp"
2018 3121RL
2016 Ford F350 SB SRW
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04-09-2015, 09:39 AM
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Montana Fan
Join Date: Jan 2015
Location: Maryville
Posts: 144
M.O.C. #15933
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I Tow my new Montana 3611RL Legacy with a 2014 Ford F350 DRW PSD and I have a Grin on my face.
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04-09-2015, 09:54 AM
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Montana Master
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: Englewood
Posts: 3,095
M.O.C. #164
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I can tell you the difference between (Chevy GMC) 2500HD and the 3500 is the addition of another leaf in the rear springs and tires and wheels all other components are the same that includes brakes. I am not sure currently if that is still true on newer models. Back around your model year they still made a 2500 in addition to the HD
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04-09-2015, 11:30 AM
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Montana Master
Join Date: Nov 2007
Location: Atlanta
Posts: 908
M.O.C. #7915
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The bottom line is what an earlier poster said..."more truck or less 5th wheel." You will be way over weight with that truck.
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04-09-2015, 02:09 PM
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Montana Master
Join Date: Mar 2014
Location: Sioux Falls
Posts: 505
M.O.C. #14162
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If you can even move up to a 2011 or newer 2500 HD, you would be OK. The GCVWR for the 4WD with Duramax is just over 25,000, and the suggested limit for pulling on the 5th wheel is just under 17,000. Be sure that it has the trailering package and the air brake. I wouldn't be without mine.
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Steve & Sheryl Engels
2018 Montana 3790RD
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04-09-2015, 02:26 PM
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Montana Master
Join Date: Dec 2009
Location: Sebring
Posts: 3,658
M.O.C. #9969
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Pulling it, No Problem, carrying the pin weight, Big Problem. It seems on the average most end up 500 to 1000 pounds, some even more, above the Dry/Brochure Pin weight depending on options and how much you load into the basement.
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Michelle & Ann
2018 Chevy 3500HD High Country DRW 4X4 Crew Cab w/Duramax/Allison, Formally 2010 Montana 2955RL, Now Loaded 2016 SOB, Mor/ryde IS, Disc Brakes & Pin Box, Comfort Ride Hitch, Sailun 17.5 Tires.
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04-11-2015, 05:42 AM
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Montana Master
Join Date: Feb 2008
Location: Hillsboro
Posts: 593
M.O.C. #8238
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The dealer is full of it. We bought a 3725 Monty last year with a "listed" pin weight of 2800 plus pounds. Took it to the scales and in reality, BEFORE we even started to load it for a trip (with a few minor supplies in the basement), the pin weight was at 3200 pounds. By the time we got it loaded for a trip, and I weighed it again, it was approaching 3500 pounds. We had a 2008 K3500 one ton GMC, and the 3725 put the truck over it's GVW rating of 9900 pounds. Not a lot, but enough for concern. So, got a new 2015 GMC K3500, with a higher rear axle load rating and GVW rating of 11,600 pounds. Am now within specs, so feel much better about things. Sorry, but there is NO WAY I would pull these large fifth wheels with anything less than a one ton, and a newer one at that. The old ones didn't have that much capacity compared to the new ones.
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Vietnam Veteran, US Navy
2017 3810
2015 GMC Sierra 4X4 3500 SRW
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