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Old 11-29-2019, 07:51 PM   #1
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Resource for towing specs...

Is there a good website that has listings for the different manufacturers, and the towing capacities from year to year.

I know that you can look it up for one model, but then you have to do that for each different model, and that's a pain. Especially when you are trying to compare one year to another, and brand to brand...
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Old 11-29-2019, 07:56 PM   #2
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This is a start, but remember that within like vehicles there will be different ratings due to accessories, factory installed or aftermarket installed, that will affect what can be carried or towed. https://www.trailerlife.com/trailer-towing-guides/
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Old 11-29-2019, 08:06 PM   #3
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Thanks for the resource! That's what I was looking for as a start!
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Old 11-30-2019, 05:21 AM   #4
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If you are looking to buy a truck to pull your Montana keep it simple and just buy one of the new 2020s...they all have great capacity these days.
https://www.motortrend.com/news/2020...wing-capacity/
https://www.motortrend.com/news/2020...wing-capacity/
https://www.google.com/search?client...4dUDCAo&uact=5
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If you are looking to buy a truck to pull your Montana keep it simple and just buy one of the new 2020s...they all have great capacity these days.
https://www.motortrend.com/news/2020...wing-capacity/
https://www.motortrend.com/news/2020...wing-capacity/
https://www.google.com/search?client...4dUDCAo&uact=5
Ha more than capacity it will back you up as well.

Ford's Trailer Reverse Guidance camera system has been extended beyond conventional trailers to also work with goose neck and fifth wheel trailers and the Super Duty now gets the Pro Trailer Backup Assist that is on the F-150.
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Old 11-30-2019, 06:18 AM   #6
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Here is Ford's eye chart
https://media.ford.com/content/dam/f...Tech-Specs.pdf

Chevy's eye chart
https://media.gm.com/media/us/en/che...2020.tab1.html

Couldn't find a RAM easy enough, maybe due to lack of interest lol
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Old 11-30-2019, 06:36 AM   #7
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If you are looking to buy a truck to pull your Montana keep it simple and just buy one of the new 2020s...they all have great capacity these days.
https://www.motortrend.com/news/2020...wing-capacity/
https://www.motortrend.com/news/2020...wing-capacity/
https://www.google.com/search?client...4dUDCAo&uact=5
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Ha more than capacity it will back you up as well.

Ford's Trailer Reverse Guidance camera system has been extended beyond conventional trailers to also work with goose neck and fifth wheel trailers and the Super Duty now gets the Pro Trailer Backup Assist that is on the F-150.
Thanks for the info guys!!!

I have been a Chevy guy my whole life, and quite frankly, I have had really good luck with mine, and I don't have anything to complain about. The Allison is an absolute beast of a delivery system.

I was super excited when I heard that the 2020's were going to have a 10 speed Allison. That had for to be the ultimate towing transmission. And, with almost a 1000 ft-lbs if torque, it shouldn't have any issues either. But, that bubble was burst when I learned that the 10-speed is not an Allison, but rather an Allison branded transmission. Not that I don't trust GM, but I KNOW that a true Allison transmission would be bullet proof.

Then, Ford comes along and puts down a 1050 on torque, backed up by a 10 speed as well. SMH. There is one thing that I like about the Ford, and that is the interior room, as they are a little bit bigger. It also took Ford a while to realize that there is no replacement for displacement, so that's a strike on their best practices.

I have always liked the styling on the Dodges as well, and had a second generation 12 valve Cummins that was an awesome pulling machine, IF you wanted to only go 55 MPH. The tranny in that thing was terrible. And, while I realize that that have improved them, my son in laws father had a newer dually that proved otherwise. I don't think a Dodge is in our future.

That narrows it down to Chevy vs. Ford.

But alas, a NEW truck isn't in our future either. Don't have the bank right now. Hence the reason I needed to research older trucks to figure it what is what, and make sure that whatever we get will pull safely. So, that leaves me with getting a Chevy, or a Ford with a 6.7. Just not new...
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Ford puts out reams of data about towing. This is their site: https://www.fleet.ford.com/towing-guides/


The other two majors probably have similar
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Ford puts out reams of data about towing. This is their site: https://www.fleet.ford.com/towing-guides/


The other two majors probably have similar
WOW!!!

That's a lot of information there, and that probably makes it even more confusing!! I did t realize there were all that many options/configurations that changed the maximum towing that greatly...
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WOW!!!

That's a lot of information there, and that probably makes it even more confusing!! I did t realize there were all that many options/configurations that changed the maximum towing that greatly...

Now all you need to do is find a dealer/salesman that understands what you really want to do with your new truck. My history with them is not very good as all they usually want is a sale and their profit/commission.
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Old 11-30-2019, 08:11 AM   #11
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... My history with them is not very good as all they usually want is a sale and their profit/commission.
Oh, I've had too many of those conversations in my life as well.

Walked in one time, saying I wanted a red Chevy 1500 with a 350 V8 (pre towing days), and they tell me that they have a blue one with a 305. After we got over the fact that I was NOT going to buy HIS truck, they did a dealer locate. Found one, EXACTLY what I was wanting. Went back the next day to pick it up, and it was gone from the locating dealer. Hummm. Would make me a great deal on a blue 305. Called locating dealer and they still had the truck. Lying bastards.

Went to another dealer, said, "I want this truck", and told them where it was. Went and got it, and we did the deal.

Walked out of a dealership cussing when we were looking for our current truck. Amazingly, I got a call the next day from the general manager, and their price was exactly what I was willing to pay the say before. Went and bought it somewhere else.

Don't have time for their games....
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Now all you need to do is find a dealer/salesman that understands what you really want to do with your new truck. My history with them is not very good as all they usually want is a sale and their profit/commission.
I can't believe that I'm saying this, but I'm not for sure that this totally lies on the salesmen either.

I spent a little bit of time this weekend (a couple of hours) researching and charting whos-who with respect to towing, and it is VERY VERY confusing.

I'm going to try to post later today the results that I found. There is a lot of it that is very confusing for sure, and from manufacturer to manufacturer it even gets muddier...
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I can't believe that I'm saying this, but I'm not for sure that this totally lies on the salesmen either. ...

The ultimate resposibility is not the salesman but the INFORMED buyer. Even if you are lucky and find that 'right' knowledgible sales person, you, the buyer, still needd to decide what packages and other options you need/want. I haven't been that lucky to have found the 'right' salesman --- and possibly one reason I'm still driving a 2011 truck, built in mid 2010 and soon to be 10 years old. It still does the job, still runs great and still gets compliments on its condition at 125,000 miles
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Whichever vehicle you choose - make sure once you have selected a vehicle that you check the sticker on the drivers door for the proper GVW’s. DO NOT TRUST the sales person. Not that they might be just trying to sell you what they have in stock but unless the sales person deals in daily fleet sales their knowledge of GVW’s & towing could be very limited. Do not discover after your purchase you don’t have enough truck! Trucks all look the same - it’s what’s under the skin that matters! Check the GVW on the door!
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The ultimate resposibility is not the salesman but the INFORMED buyer. Even if you are lucky and find that 'right' knowledgible sales person, you, the buyer, still needd to decide what packages and other options you need/want. I haven't been that lucky to have found the 'right' salesman --- and possibly one reason I'm still driving a 2011 truck, built in mid 2010 and soon to be 10 years old. It still does the job, still runs great and still gets compliments on its condition at 125,000 miles
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Whichever vehicle you choose - make sure once you have selected a vehicle that you check the sticker on the drivers door for the proper GVWs. DO NOT TRUST the sales person. Not that they might be just trying to sell you what they have in stock but unless the sales person deals in daily fleet sales their knowledge of GVWs & towing could be very limited. Do not discover after your purchase you dont have enough truck! Trucks all look the same - its whats under the skin that matters! Check the GVW on the door!
I don't disagree with either one of these posts. BUT, when you look at the eye chart that is the Ford towing guide, which, BTW, is probably the best one out there, there is NO indication what options couple up with which TOWING options to make the combinations. The GVW isn't always the clearest either.

I would be totally peeved if as an INFORMED buyer, I spec'ed out what I wanted (needed), and I got the truck in, and the door said something different than I was anticipating.

I'll start a new thread this evening with the information that I have that doesn't make a lot of sense (at least to me)...
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