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Old 01-23-2019, 04:57 PM   #1
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Leak in the front storage compartment

Believe it or not we had 3 or 4 days of rain in So Calif. and I had a puddle of water in the front storage area in a 2019 Montana 3120RL 5th wheel on the passenger side. I looked all over tried are the faucets sinks drains and the water pump never loses pressure, all I can figure is it leaked around the compartment door but the seal looks good.
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Get inside and have someone run the hose on the wall above the door. YOu will probably see water running in somewhere.
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Old 01-23-2019, 10:04 PM   #3
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Ditto with Tom that's the best way to find leaks!
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Believe it or not we had 3 or 4 days of rain in So Calif. and I had a puddle of water in the front storage area in a 2019 Montana 3120RL 5th wheel on the passenger side. I looked all over tried are the faucets sinks drains and the water pump never loses pressure, all I can figure is it leaked around the compartment door but the seal looks good.

Mine would leak and have puddles in the front and rear corners of the basement doors. I finally determined that the black aluminum extrusion around the door itself isn't sealed. Heavy rains the water would fill the door until the water finally ran out the latch hole on the inside. I sealed the door AND latches on the outside and ..... No more leaks!! Also tighten the latch pressure.


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Old 01-24-2019, 08:25 AM   #5
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Ditto with Tom that's the best way to find leaks!
Great idea hopefully I can fit LOL or I will find a smaller friend to help me LOL
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Old 01-24-2019, 08:29 AM   #6
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Mine would leak and have puddles in the front and rear corners of the basement doors. I finally determined that the black aluminum extrusion around the door itself isn't sealed. Heavy rains the water would fill the door until the water finally ran out the latch hole on the inside. I sealed the door AND latches on the outside and ..... No more leaks!! Also tighten the latch pressure.


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I will inspect everything around the door, the seal itself looks good and the door is hard to latch so it is tight I will check the frame and reseal it. The other door is ok it's just the passenger side
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Old 01-24-2019, 04:32 PM   #7
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I Had to remove & reseal all frames, they only had a bead of silicone on the exterior. When the door would close the frame would move a little. removed, cleaned, added butyl tape, reinstalled & added additional screws with shims. Couple days I cleaned the excess butyl & siliconed. The doors are now rigid & dry, a couple that didnt show water were wet all around the frame so good idea to check them all.
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Storage leak

I need assistance/advise on my water leak issue in the passenger side compartment, My rig is 2017 Montana 3921 FB

I was flushing my black tank and suddenly I notice there is water running down from the passenger side landing gear and the inside of the cargo, I look above inside the cargo and I saw 4 water lines 2 white and 1 blue and 1 red I noticed water gushing from the white hose I knew I donít have water running inside so I shut the the water from flushing and it stopped leaking and just to confirm I tried again and itís positive it leaks when I turn the water to flush. I tried to see if I can access the area but there is no place I could do that. I donít know where else the water went Iím glad Iím in El Paso tx warm and dry hoping that I did not ruin anything on the inside
Any assistance is greatly appreciated

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I need assistance/advise on my water leak issue in the passenger side compartment, My rig is 2017 Montana 3921 FB

I was flushing my black tank and suddenly I notice there is water running down from the passenger side landing gear and the inside of the cargo, I look above inside the cargo and I saw 4 water lines 2 white and 1 blue and 1 red I noticed water gushing from the white hose I knew I donít have water running inside so I shut the the water from flushing and it stopped leaking and just to confirm I tried again and itís positive it leaks when I turn the water to flush. I tried to see if I can access the area but there is no place I could do that. I donít know where else the water went Iím glad Iím in El Paso tx warm and dry hoping that I did not ruin anything on the inside
Any assistance is greatly appreciated

Thanks in advance .
The two white are for the black tank flush and go up under the bathroom sink if you look under the sink for the white lines you will see a black valve. that is an anti-back flow valve and it has probable failed you can take it out and get rid of it like most of us have or you can get a new one the OEM valve in a piece of junk.
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The two white are for the black tank flush and go up under the bathroom sink if you look under the sink for the white lines you will see a black valve. that is an anti-back flow valve and it has probable failed you can take it out and get rid of it like most of us have or you can get a new one the OEM valve in a piece of junk.
Hello thank you for the quick response, I look under both bathroom sink and did not see the white water line there are only two water line the red and blue, I even looked under the kitchen sink but no luck.
We do have a bath tub next to the bath room sink Iím trying to look for an access so I can look under, any ideas?
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Montana has placed that valve in some very hard to access locations. Early years had it behind the shower wall and you had to cut a hole from the other side through a cabinet. As it is clear the valve is the problem, I would not waste my time. Cut the white lines where you have access and join them together with a couple of Shark Bite fittings. Problem solved.
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Old 01-28-2019, 09:07 PM   #12
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Hello thank you for the quick response, I look under both bathroom sink and did not see the white water line there are only two water line the red and blue, I even looked under the kitchen sink but no luck.
We do have a bath tub next to the bath room sink Iím trying to look for an access so I can look under, any ideas?
Carl is right if you can't get to just cut the white lines wear you can get to then and join them their. I could get to nine but I did cut them under the floor of the bath.
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Montana has placed that valve in some very hard to access locations. Early years had it behind the shower wall and you had to cut a hole from the other side through a cabinet. As it is clear the valve is the problem, I would not waste my time. Cut the white lines where you have access and join them together with a couple of Shark Bite fittings. Problem solved.
Hi Carl , thanks for the advise Iím still pretty new on rv diy I have learned a lot of quick fix in this group, first how can I post a picture in this thread ? I would like to take a photo of the white water line I was talking about before cutting and joining them with a couple of shark bites like you mentioned, second I would like to know what type of shark bite will I use, I have googled shark bite and I saw an elbow and t connection, whic one would I use? Thanks in advance for all the help
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Carl is right if you can't get to just cut the white lines wear you can get to then and join them their. I could get to nine but I did cut them under the floor of the bath.
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Hi Carl , thanks for the advise Iím still pretty new on rv diy I have learned a lot of quick fix in this group, first how can I post a picture in this thread ? I would like to take a photo of the white water line I was talking about before cutting and joining them with a couple of shark bites like you mentioned, second I would like to know what type of shark bite will I use, I have googled shark bite and I saw an elbow and t connection, whic one would I use? Thanks in advance for all the help
You want to be able to "loop" the 2 lines together, thus eliminating the "vacuum breaker" (back flow device) that is leaking. Very simple fix that will last the life of the coach.
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......first how can I post a picture in this thread ? I would like to take a photo of the white water line I was talking about before cutting and joining them with a couple of shark bites like you mentioned.....
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Posting pictures is relatively easy. There are a couple of sets of instructions which might help. Go to http://www.montanaowners.com/forums/...ad.php?t=70323 and read posts #8 and #25.

If you need further help, let me know.

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I used two elbows with a short piece of Pex (from where I cut the lines) to bridge them together
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Old 02-03-2019, 03:34 PM   #17
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My 2016 did the same. It was my door which had to be replaced. I finally crawled into the compartment and saw the daylight coming through the seal.
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Old 02-04-2019, 03:09 PM   #18
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Iíve noticed on my 2010 3400RL Montana that if I donít lock the door, and just use the right twist closer that it will leak a little if the rain and wind are just right. Locking the left side eliminates the leak.
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Old 02-06-2019, 05:46 AM   #19
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Sometimes it's not the door that leaks, but the weather stripping on the door gets caught and rolled off. Had this happen on my two large basement doors already and one rear one. I simply went to Home Depot or Lowe's and got some weather stripping as below but didn't put it back on the flange facing outwards as before. Instead I put it on the frame flange facing downward so the door compresses the foam and then go out to the edge of the door where it stats to turn down and stop it there. I cut out the seal that was coming down in the places where it had came loose. I had to go back and trim off about 3 inches of the last pic as the door tried to peel it off, so I stopped it just past the hinge.
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